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2017 - Mika performs on Pointless Celebrities BBC : Sat. 7 January, 2017


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The thing is, famous singers do get negative comments. 10 years ago, when people were spreading the hate, I used to get really upset. Now I don't. Those people are a minority and people who watched the performance, can judge for themselves. He sang a beautiful cover, and 10 years ago, despite the haters, he sold millions of albums.

No one takes notice of internet trolls. I'm just glad he was trending on Twitter!

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I also think too many of the comments are simply mean. Probably I wouldn't write something nice either if someone like, say, Justin Bieber, did a cover of a Mika song and I didn't like it - so in some way I can understand the Billy Joel Fans - especially since for Billy Joel and that song there's no need for any promotion, which would be my personal favourite point about someone covering a Mika song. So well, I sort of understand if a Billy Joel Fan writes that Mika has ruined the song. The falsetto just doesn't fit to the song, imo, and while the cover is nice, and ofc I always enjoy Mika singing, it has none of the specialness of the original song for me. But that people get personal in their tweets or say Mika has no career, just because he's not famous in the UK anymore (it'd do some people good to take a look outside of their own little world!), I agree these tweets are just mean and unnecessary.

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I also think too many of the comments are simply mean. Probably I wouldn't write something nice either if someone like, say, Justin Bieber, did a cover of a Mika song and I didn't like it - so in some way I can understand the Billy Joel Fans - especially since for Billy Joel and that song there's no need for any promotion, which would be my personal favourite point about someone covering a Mika song. So well, I sort of understand if a Billy Joel Fan writes that Mika has ruined the song. The falsetto just doesn't fit to the song, imo, and while the cover is nice, and ofc I always enjoy Mika singing, it has none of the specialness of the original song for me. But that people get personal in their tweets or say Mika has no career, just because he's not famous in the UK anymore (it'd do some people good to take a look outside of their own little world!), I agree these tweets are just mean and unnecessary.

 

Yes this was exactly what I meant earlier. Many people prefer original versions if the original and whatever cover is put next to each other, especially if they are fans or if it's something people have learnt to listen years and years, it's just fine. But that weird aggressiveness, so unnecessary. 

 

Despite of those comments, it was nice he got some visibility in the UK and I so hope there will be more of The Art Of Song. I enjoy those beautiful covers and and so rare to get a full read show of him speaking English! 

 

I'll upload it today :)

 

 

Brilliant, thanks Lucrezia!  :thumb_yello:

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I also think too many of the comments are simply mean. Probably I wouldn't write something nice either if someone like, say, Justin Bieber, did a cover of a Mika song and I didn't like it - so in some way I can understand the Billy Joel Fans - especially since for Billy Joel and that song there's no need for any promotion, which would be my personal favourite point about someone covering a Mika song. So well, I sort of understand if a Billy Joel Fan writes that Mika has ruined the song. The falsetto just doesn't fit to the song, imo, and while the cover is nice, and ofc I always enjoy Mika singing, it has none of the specialness of the original song for me. But that people get personal in their tweets or say Mika has no career, just because he's not famous in the UK anymore (it'd do some people good to take a look outside of their own little world!), I agree these tweets are just mean and unnecessary.

you totally hit the nail on the top with everything you said here. I saw so many bad comments until many of us jumped in and wrote better comments and as I don´t feel well right now I felt very hurt yesterday. I don´t think he was able to chose what to sing at this show but yes, I would have prefered one of his own songs too.

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you totally hit the nail on the top with everything you said here. I saw so many bad comments until many of us jumped in and wrote better comments and as I don´t feel well right now I felt very hurt yesterday. I don´t think he was able to chose what to sing at this show but yes, I would have prefered one of his own songs too.

So sorry you felt hurt Sabine :hug: 

I guess he had no choice ...however I do love his cover  but I didn't know the original song so I heard his version first... 

Well he trended in twitter so something positive came out of it :wink2:

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I honestly don't understand bad and offensive comments about Mika's cover songs, I don't know why in U.K. when he performed on BBC radio, then someone writes nasty comments on twitter or fb.

I think everyone is free to appreciate or not a singer, but there seems to be a prejudice on him by some people.

For example, when he made a tribute on tv in Italy, a few weeks ago, about Mina and Celentano, many Italian fans and others non-fans didn't like very much his performance, but I haven't read comments so cruel!

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The hate from those trolls hit me hard and then I recall i was told last year that BBC laid off 1000 jobs last year, hence the anger from those ex-BBC staff that BBC would create a show with Mika (who in their minds is just a has-been pop star). On Facebook it was obvious that the haters could be same person (clue is when they only update their covers on FB).

 

I have always liked his interpretation of Pianoman, only found his hair poofed up too high for my liking :teehee:

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I also think too many of the comments are simply mean. Probably I wouldn't write something nice either if someone like, say, Justin Bieber, did a cover of a Mika song and I didn't like it - so in some way I can understand the Billy Joel Fans - especially since for Billy Joel and that song there's no need for any promotion, which would be my personal favourite point about someone covering a Mika song. So well, I sort of understand if a Billy Joel Fan writes that Mika has ruined the song. The falsetto just doesn't fit to the song, imo, and while the cover is nice, and ofc I always enjoy Mika singing, it has none of the specialness of the original song for me. But that people get personal in their tweets or say Mika has no career, just because he's not famous in the UK anymore (it'd do some people good to take a look outside of their own little world!), I agree these tweets are just mean and unnecessary.

At first I agreed completely with your post. But I just read some of the conversations that followed out of the tweet of Dom Stirling, the guy that said Mika had no career anymore. I'm actually not appalled by the original tweet by Stirling but by the anger that speaks out of some of the reactions. I'm not saying the Stirling tweet was very respectful. But in my opinion "mean" is too strong a word for this rather harmless, supposedly to be meant funny, opinion. I don't think the tweet was very personal as well; just a careless, not well informed thought about a public figure that he (wrongly) believed to be history as an artist. Something that came into his head when he watched a -again public- performance. Not "necessary" to put such a thought on twitter but what is?

 

On the other hand, some (not all) of the reactions for example "Shut your mouth and die" or "You little s**t! Who are you to say such things about Mika and his fans, you're nodoby so stay in your lane" definitely are mean and extremely personal. I believe strongly, it's more those people that "should take a look outside of their own little word" than Dom Stirling. Even if you are hurt by the original tweet, you make yourself rather ridiculous when you express your hurt with comments like that. This last remark is not aimed at you Mellody or at any of the posters in this thread until now. Your and their words are polite and thoughtful.

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At first I agreed completely with your post. But I just read some of the conversations that followed out of the tweet of Dom Stirling, the guy that said Mika had no career anymore. I'm actually not appalled by the original tweet by Stirling but by the anger that speaks out of some of the reactions. I'm not saying the Stirling tweet was very respectful. But in my opinion "mean" is too strong a word for this rather harmless, supposedly to be meant funny, opinion. I don't think the tweet was very personal as well; just a careless, not well informed thought about a public figure that he (wrongly) believed to be history as an artist. Something that came into his head when he watched a -again public- performance. Not "necessary" to put such a thought on twitter but what is?

 

On the other hand, some (not all) of the reactions for example "Shut your mouth and die" or "You little s**t! Who are you to say such things about Mika and his fans, you're nodoby so stay in your lane" definitely are mean and extremely personal. I believe strongly, it's more those people that "should take a look outside of their own little word" than Dom Stirling. Even if you are hurt by the original tweet, you make yourself rather ridiculous when you express your hurt with comments like that. This last remark is not aimed at you Mellody or at any of the posters in this thread until now. Your and their words are polite and thoughtful.

I agree, the swear words that are used for Dom or abuse were too much. However, the problem with Dom was that he kept continuing underestimating Mika fans. He is the one who doesn't follow what Mika has done for 10 years and he blamed Mika fans to be stuck in 2007. The language he used or the behaviour he showed was toooo much and soo relaxed. At least for me. I thinl that's another reason why he got so much reaction. And also, that he didnt like the performance is quite okay, who are we to judge? But he's not the person that decides that Mika's career is over. Just write "I didn't like" . And yes you're right, there were worse waaay worse comments on social media. What I wrote is not only for Dom(he was a specific example) but also for the other who were insulting and rude.

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At first I agreed completely with your post. But I just read some of the conversations that followed out of the tweet of Dom Stirling, the guy that said Mika had no career anymore. I'm actually not appalled by the original tweet by Stirling but by the anger that speaks out of some of the reactions. I'm not saying the Stirling tweet was very respectful. But in my opinion "mean" is too strong a word for this rather harmless, supposedly to be meant funny, opinion. I don't think the tweet was very personal as well; just a careless, not well informed thought about a public figure that he (wrongly) believed to be history as an artist. Something that came into his head when he watched a -again public- performance. Not "necessary" to put such a thought on twitter but what is?

 

On the other hand, some (not all) of the reactions for example "Shut your mouth and die" or "You little s**t! Who are you to say such things about Mika and his fans, you're nodoby so stay in your lane" definitely are mean and extremely personal. I believe strongly, it's more those people that "should take a look outside of their own little word" than Dom Stirling. Even if you are hurt by the original tweet, you make yourself rather ridiculous when you express your hurt with comments like that. This last remark is not aimed at you Mellody or at any of the posters in this thread until now. Your and their words are polite and thoughtful.

I agree with you too. I didn't even read the ones on twitter, just the ones on BBC2 facebook page. And they were sad - for me.

I'm just asking myself why some people have to post those things on social media.

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So when did I last go into raptures over a performance eh? Eh?

 

I thought he was 100% Wow! Mika the musician - voice like chocolate mostly, but varied, Mika playing the piano, Mika singing with expression but not hamming it up, Mika appropriately dressed and coiffed (albeit not curly) in a way more suited to the UK. First time since LICM he's done himself justice on British telly IMO.

 

Disclaimer - this not something I know much about, but...

 

This sort of tv usually wants hits - and here Mika's are all frim LICM, 10 years ago. Which would have screamed, HAS BEEN! Better tactics to do a cover, I M O.

 

Art of Song - everybody on the show has a Radio 2 show, (this was a Christmas special) and the players are some of the top hosts - putting mention of his show among them should help, and R2 listeners are a BIG group that buy Mika's sort of music, and like cover versions - a lot of radio progs, unlike tv, like their guests to do something just for them.

 

But as I said - not my subject

 

And as I also said - Wow

 

(Is there such a thing as a fairly well viewed performance, whoever by, that doesn't get slagged off on Twitter n Fb?)

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Yes, very true Sosi. Sadly there are always many people who are happy to say negative things on Twitter etc.

I thought it was a good performance and although I would agree that the falsetto doesn't necessarily fit this song, it did showcase his voice.

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However, the problem with Dom was that he kept continuing underestimating Mika fans. He is the one who doesn't follow what Mika has done for 10 years and he blamed Mika fans to be stuck in 2007. The language he used or the behaviour he showed was toooo much and soo relaxed. At least for me. I thinl that's another reason why he got so much reaction.

Of course you're right about this. But i wouldn't say that Dom is underestimating the fans. He just wasn't aware of their existence at all and hardly of Mika's until he saw him on Pointless. That's why he is so relaxed. He doesn't care about Mika (or his fans). Very hard to believe of course, for us who follow every move of our hero with eager and sympathizing eyes.  :wink2:  :wub:   

 But he's not the person that decides that Mika's career is over. Just write "I didn't like" . And yes you're right, there were worse waaay worse comments on social media. What I wrote is not only for Dom(he was a specific example) but also for the other who were insulting and rude.

The problem with writing thinks like "I didn't like"or "in my opinion" etc is that it takes precious space from the limited number of signs that are allowed in a tweet. It also makes tweets less witty or crisp (not that Dom's tweet was very witty or crisp anyway). And sharpness and compactness of the messages is one of the potential advantages of the genre. 

World literature (and life) would be so much duller or less original if writers would apologize in advance all the time or try to protect themself  and their readers from hurt or disagreement.   

I agree with you too. I didn't even read the ones on twitter, just the ones on BBC2 facebook page. And they were sad - for me.

I'm just asking myself why some people have to post those things on social media.

To get attention. I said I was appalled by those aggresive tweets but in hindsight I'm kind of sorry for the writers because they feel they can only get attention by expressing negativity. The best way to stop them is to pay as less attention possible. The same goes for Dom Stirling. But of course that's difficult to do. I can't myself as you may have noticed. It's kind of amusing as well which is a very detached (and almost patronizing) way of looking at it, I admit. :dunno:

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The hate from those trolls hit me hard and then I recall i was told last year that BBC laid off 1000 jobs last year, hence the anger from those ex-BBC staff that BBC would create a show with Mika (who in their minds is just a has-been pop star). On Facebook it was obvious that the haters could be same person (clue is when they only update their covers on FB).

 

I have always liked his interpretation of Pianoman, only found his hair poofed up too high for my liking :teehee:

I'm not sure that these people were disgruntled BBC ex employees, just people watching Pointless Celebrities, which is a popular show on Saturday nights.

Mika wasn't the only person getting attacked, Jeremy Vine  (who won the quiz with Jo Whiley) got quite a bit of flak too, as he hosts another quiz show during the week after the regular Pointless show. It is more of a specialised quiz, and  because he didn't do great on the category he picked, he was getting torn to pieces on FB.

As well as that, the show on after, Let It Shine, which is Gary Barlows new audition show to find 5 guys to make a boyband for a musical he is writing for the West End, got a bit of a hammering too, even though it actually beat the new series of The Voice in the tv ratings.

This happens a lot to shows in the UK, it comes from the X Factor culture here, where unless you are a reality show star, you are nothing to this new breed of viewers, hence why I don't watch a lot of these shows.

Like Melody, I wasn't sure that using the falsetto so much was such a good idea. He didn't do it so much on The Art Of Song, and it sounded much better. but it was SOOO good to see him back on tv here, I wasn't too bothered by it at the time. Only when I saw some of the harsh comments written, that I thought perhaps it wasn't his best move to come back to UK tv with.

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One good thing that came out of this, was that quite a lot of UK fans had emerged, that I haven't noticed before, and i had nice conversations with a few. So I'm hoping I can navigate them this way, with a bit of luck.

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Thanks Sosi and Rose for explaining the concept! This kind of television culture is totally unfamiliar to me, we might have shows like this in Finland as well but I don't watch enough television to be aware of it. I don't care about any separate comment or tweet, these are random people, I was only surprised to see the phenomenon and so many reactions in general. Hope this performance woke up some old UK fans and they will find Mika again if haven't heard his music lately.

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One good thing that came out of this, was that quite a lot of UK fans had emerged, that I haven't noticed before, and i had nice conversations with a few. So I'm hoping I can navigate them this way, with a bit of luck.

Well said. It is sad that his appearance on Pointless Celebrities has been spoiled, in a way, by people worrying about the negative comments. The one about his career being over, may seem harsh, but for many years in the UK, that's how it has seemed, to people who are not familiar with Mika's other work abroad. But the fans who retaliated in a really bad way, are also, not doing Mika any favours. As his fans, we need to be above such retaliation, after all, if Mika had continued to do TV, gigs and performances in the UK, no one would be saying that his career was over.

As you say, it has got Mika noticed again by him being on UK TV. Let's hope he doesn't waste this exposure. Let's hope he plans more things in the UK for this year, to continue his return to fame in the UK.

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REPEAT

will be on Sat 30 December, 2017

6:20pm-7:10pm (50 minutes)

 

Pointless Celebrities

Season 10 Episode 16/32

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088nv01

Alexander Armstrong and Richard Osman present a Radio 2-themed edition of the unorthodox quiz, featuring Jo Whiley, Jeremy Vine, Zoe Ball, Michael Ball, Ken Bruce, Anneka Rice, Vanessa Feltz and Craig Charles.
With a performance by Mika

 

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