yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) I am also appalled that some MFCers feel that it's OK to bully someone they don't like or agree with, whatever the reason may be, in Mika's defense. Name-calling, hateful language? Really? That's OK just because you think it's justified to defend Mika's honor in some way? I'm here to tell you it is NOT OK. I've seen it on Twitter, which I obviously can't control. But if I see it happening here on MFC, you'll be banned. Read our guidelines again. I just want ot know, is it also unacceptable to use nasty words to talk about mika here? Cuz that seems to happen very very often here. Do you need me to display all the horrble phrases they used so you can see that? Edited March 9, 2016 by yang 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 He has no idea who is going to be at the gig. He sets a date in New York to perform for Americans, not people from Austria. Do you think he designed his Asian tour for the random Europeans that turned up or he did it for the Koreans, Japanese and Chinese he went there to see and perform for? This is such a bizarre line of thinking and it is never an issue with any other artist. Mika fans are the only people I've ever encountered who think that gigs all over the world are their business and not the business of the locals. He knows fans flies all over the world to see his show, he is very proud of that. His focus IS in the local, he just also put the foreign audience into consideration too. Also, even some fans in UK areas like BBB live too, I say this again and again, do not ignore that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamy_Queen Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) I just want ot know, is it also unacceptable to use nasty words to talk about mika here? Cuz that seems to happen very very often here. Do you need me to display all the horrble phrases they used so you can see that? Actually, my thoughts exactly. The hell of rude words that were said about Mika is beyond my understanding about this place. If someone cares about others' feelings, why not to be a behavior example? I understand the feelings of many girls, but it results that Mika is the last to be taken into account here. Edited March 9, 2016 by Dreamy_Queen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Mika is not a member of this fan club and no one has called him a rude cow, an ugly rat, etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Mika has so little direct contact with most fans these days I don't even understand where this possessiveness and defensiveness on his behalf comes from. We are fans. Even we dont have contact with him, we love him, and if you see someone hurt the one you love and hold dear to, you defend for him. Same as why you're defending for Jemma even when you know it's her to upset him first, and even you have said you understand why he lashed out in a gig later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 You are using that phrase again. If you don't know, let me tell you, when you are saying "A sucks up B", you are insulting both A and B. No actually I am not, but you can believe whatever you want. You seem determined to believe that English fans think they are better than everyone else. If that helps you justify Mika's behaviour and the lack of sympathy many have shown towards Jemma, knock yourself out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Mika is not a member of this fan club and no one has called him a rude cow, an ugly rat, etc. He is the reason for this fan club. I and a lot other fans do not join a MIKA fan club to see other people attacking MIKA. He is called "Diva", "wet flannel flapping around", "baby need to be pandered", and that is only what I see in the last two days. I can find more if you need to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soaring Simpson Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) I've stuck to "liking" so far but think I might look inconsistent, so to clarify: - I was mystified and even slightly disturbed by the head of steam people worked up over Mika singing a single French song in London - I'm even less impressed by Mika's responses: I consider his bleating about hurt feelings to be pathetic and unprofessional, and his "needing more BBB" remark to be offensive Edited March 9, 2016 by Soaring Simpson 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 No actually I am not, but you can believe whatever you want. You seem determined to believe that English fans think they are better than everyone else. If that helps you justify Mika's behaviour and the lack of sympathy many have shown towards Jemma, knock yourself out. I dont think all the English fans are better than everyone else, it's just some fans feel they are superior, you can tell from their wordings. And you can't really think "s**k up" is not a horrible phrase. I may not know English that well, but I know what action that phrase mean, that is very very rude to use to describe people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 He is the reason for this fan club. I and a lot other fans do not join a MIKA fan club to see other people attacking MIKA. He is called "Diva", "wet flannel flapping around", "baby need to be pandered", and that is only what I see in the last two days. I can find more if you need to see. Do you not see the difference between calling someone a rude cow and calling a singer a diva? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 If that helps you justify Mika's behaviour and the lack of sympathy many have shown towards Jemma, knock yourself out. I mentioned a lot times here, I dont like his behaviour about saying BBB to Jemma, and all the mean words towards Jemma either. Or that you just did not see? I don't know her, but her video is very self-centered, I feel so sorry for her in the beginning, being hurt from her idol. But in the end she is still asking mika to sing only English songs, even when there are people in the UK gigs love his French song, or at least the Elvis move with the song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Do you not see the difference between calling someone a rude cow and calling a singer a diva? Yeah the first one is worse, but it does not mean the later one should be tolerrant either, so is "s**k up", that's even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I dont think all the English fans are better than everyone else, it's just some fans feel they are superior, you can tell from their wordings. And you can't really think "s**k up" is not a horrible phrase. I may not know English that well, but I know what action that phrase mean, that is very very rude to use to describe people. It is not a phrase used to describe group A and group B. It is a phrase used to describe Mika's actions (well his hypothetical actions since I don't think he is actually going to do this). I can use the phrase "cater to" if you think that is more tactful. But it means the same thing and neither phrase is any kind of commentary on Americans or Chinese or any other group of people.I like to use direct and colourful language, it is not a crime and doesn't mean I am insulting anyone. On the subject of superiority, I think you are mistaking what people expect from their home gigs as some kind of special treatment and not a rule they would apply to everyone everywhere. When Mika performs in Montreal I expect him to speak French and play more French songs than he does in Toronto. I expect him to cater to local audiences wherever he goes and he usually does. But for some unfathomable reason he just can't respect the fact that there are English fans who would prefer to hear Rain than BBB. I am not even saying that he shouldn't play BBB, because there are other English fans there who want to hear it. But he has to accept that that's how some people feel and stop pouting about it. It's just the way it is and it's not going to change. Mika told a couple of stories in English at a Montreal gig and one of the fans told me she was getting worried and wondering if he was ever going to start speaking French. He can spend the whole gig speaking English if he wants but the French fans are going to feel alienated and hurt by it. He can't just shame them into not feeling that way by calling them intolerant. It is normal and all fans prefer Mika to cater to their local language when he is a fluent speaker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yeah the first one is worse, but it does not mean the later one should be tolerrant either, so is "s**k up", that's even worse. I am really struggling to understand what you think suck up means because it is not that bad, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I am really struggling to understand what you think suck up means because it is not that bad, really If you search suck up, these images pop out I dont need to explain more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 It is not a phrase used to describe group A and group B. It is a phrase used to describe Mika's actions (well his hypothetical actions since I don't think he is actually going to do this). I can use the phrase "cater to" if you think that is more tactful. But it means the same thing and neither phrase is any kind of commentary on Americans or Chinese or any other group of people.I like to use direct and colourful language, it is not a crime and doesn't mean I am insulting anyone. On the subject of superiority, I think you are mistaking what people expect from their home gigs as some kind of special treatment and not a rule they would apply to everyone everywhere. When Mika performs in Montreal I expect him to speak French and play more French songs than he does in Toronto. I expect him to cater to local audiences wherever he goes and he usually does. But for some unfathomable reason he just can't respect the fact that there are English fans who would prefer to hear Rain than BBB. I am not even saying that he shouldn't play BBB, because there are other English fans there who want to hear it. But he has to accept that that's how some people feel and stop pouting about it. It's just the way it is and it's not going to change. Mika told a couple of stories in English at a Montreal gig and one of the fans told me she was getting worried and wondering if he was ever going to start speaking French. He can spend the whole gig speaking English if he wants but the French fans are going to feel alienated and hurt by it. He can't just shame them into not feeling that way by calling them intolerant. It is normal and all fans prefer Mika to cater to their local language when he is a fluent speaker. If your wording or other fans's wording are like this in the beginning, I dont think I would feel defensive of mika in the first place. The words people said here about mika before are really horrible, I'm not the only feel that way I can guanrantee you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 If you search suck up, these images pop out I dont need to explain more. Oh my gosh it is just a silly phrase. It is just the way I express myself. There is no malicious intent like when you call someone a rude cow. You cannot compare these two things at all. And it was NOT aimed at Chinese fans. AT ALL. I am done explaining myself to you. You can think whatever you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Oh my gosh it is just a silly phrase. It is just the way I express myself. There is no malicious intent like when you call someone a rude cow. You cannot compare these two things at all. And it was NOT aimed at Chinese fans. AT ALL. I am done explaining myself to you. You can think whatever you want. Oh I don't think you are targeting Chinese fans any more after your explaination long time ago . But it is a silly phrase, I just want to point out to you how bad it sounds to me in the first place and why I kept saying it's a horrible phrase, cuz you want to know what that phrase mean to me. I am really struggling to understand what you think suck up means because it is not that bad. It is bad that's my point. There are actually worse pics if you google "suck up", so bad that the pic is even not allowed to post here. I know you like to express yourself with all this sassy words, I understand they sounds very impressive. I'm just trying to show you sometimes they may be a little TOO sassy. And it provoke the defensiveness in other fans. It's not that we are oversensitive or anything. Edited March 9, 2016 by yang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Oh I don't think you are targeting Chinese fans any more after your explaination long time ago . But it is a silly phrase, I just want to point out to you how bad it sounds to us, cuz you want to know what that phrase mean to me. I know you like to express yourself with all this sassy words, I understand they sounds very impressive. I'm just trying to show you they may be a little TOO sassy. And it provoke the defensiveness in other fans. It's not that we are oversensitive or anything. Well sorry but I am not going to change the way I have been talking for the past 40+ years to accommodate every single person who may be reading my posts. I can't read the minds of thousands of people and perfectly adjust my words according to their English level and sensitivities. I try my best but there comes a point when the reader has to take responsibility for their own feelings and ask for clarification if they don't understand something instead of jumping to conclusions and getting angry about something that was never intended. If everyone sterilized their posts to the point where it couldn't possibly be offensive to anyone, we would not have any personalities at all and nothing more to say than "Mika is amazing!!!!!!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemmalee Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Being a " suck up" really isn't that bad. It means agreeing to impress. People at work suck up to me if they want something done for example. I would suck up to my boss if I wanted some time off. I don't know where you are getting those visual representations from. It doesn't convey what it means at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maaikie... Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 https://twitter.com/KermitTheFrog/status/707672310522707972Just a tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemmalee Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Your pictures are what I would call "kissing arse" or "brown nosing" which are harsh compared to suck up 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Well sorry but I am not going to change the way I have been talking for the past 40+ years to accommodate every single person who may be reading my posts. I can't read the minds of thousands of people and perfectly adjust my words according to their English level and sensitivities. I try my best but there comes a point when the reader has to take responsibility for their own feelings and ask for clarification if they don't understand something instead of jumping to conclusions and getting angry about something that was never intended. If everyone sterilized their posts to the point where it couldn't possibly be offensive to anyone, we would not have any personalities at all and nothing more to say than "Mika is amazing!!!!!!" Of course you can express your opinion without using over-sassy words, "I expect him to cater to local audiences wherever he goes and he usually does. But for some unfathomable reason he just can't respect the fact that there are English fans who would prefer to hear Rain than BBB. I am not even saying that he shouldn't play BBB, because there are other English fans there who want to hear it. But he has to accept that that's how some people feel and stop pouting about it. It's just the way it is and it's not going to change. Mika told a couple of stories in English at a Montreal gig and one of the fans told me she was getting worried and wondering if he was ever going to start speaking French. He can spend the whole gig speaking English if he wants but the French fans are going to feel alienated and hurt by it. He can't just shame them into not feeling that way by calling them intolerant. It is normal and all fans prefer Mika to cater to their local language when he is a fluent speaker." This one seems to be much more reasonable to me, and I would not feel I need to defend for him if this is the post in the begining. I mean I still dont get why it's ok to heckle him, but I wont get into the defensive mode. Instead, you called him a monster. I was like, really? Your pictures are what I would call "kissing arse" or "brown nosing" which are harsh compared to suck up I google "s**k up" and these pics came out, and there are even worse. Edited March 9, 2016 by yang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yang Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Your pictures are what I would call "kissing arse" or "brown nosing" which are harsh compared to suck up I do hope you feel better now, Jemma, no one should be attacked like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yang, at a lot of Mika's gigs in the UK in the past there have been exchanges between Mika and fans in the audience, so he is quite used to people calling out to him (and on occasions he has been quite rude back ). It's not unusual or disrespectful behaviour. Also, there are a lot of phrases used in English which people don't mean to be applied literally, so what it says on Google and what is meant when people use them in everyday speech can be quite different. The f word is a good example . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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