roxy

NOOOOOOOOOOO just realised I'm moving back to London on the 16th!! Which means I'll have to wait another 3 weeks to buy the album God, if only I was leaving belgium a day later! :/ arghhhhh

Oh well, the 8th is my birthday, awesome present haha

Well I don't know if any particular one is actually grammatically correct, but in my experience everyone I know has used both of those at some point, they all make sense to me so...

I think the grammatically correct ones are

 

Take off your shirt

Turn on the lights

Wash up your plate

 

because grammatically correct people hate to end sentences with prepositions like "up" and "off".

 

But as Cazgirl rightly points out, we happily use both forms

Non-native linguist's point of view (read: book knowledge)

 

In the examples you gave the verbs are transitive particle verbs which have a nominal object (shirt, light, plate). If the object is an ordinary noun the preposition may be on either side of the noun (Turn the lights on / Turn on the lights), although in very long phrases it tends to come before the noun:

 

Turn on the lights in the children's room where the kids are playing

 

So basically in shorter sentences you can use the prep in either position, this is the rule (which of course has so many exceptions but let's not go there ).

 

In respect to the unspoken rules of grammatically correct people you'll have to take Silver's word.

Ahhh thanks!

Take your shirt off.

Take off your shirt.

Ive heard both, but I dont know which one is correct..

Same for:

Turn the lights on

Turn on the lights

Wash your plate up

Wash up your plate

...

Nostalgic.

here you go:

It's just a reminder, isn't it? I doesn't sounds like they're gonna ban you..

ban?

NOOOO! What was wrong with the pics?

i donno... up to the mods to deside!

... What would happen if they decided it's not good enough?

ignored.... am... big time!

 

stupid/bad... am... i unfortunately posted some piccies in the new gasmic that wasnt allowed there. Didnt know... donno if a "sorry" is good enough!

If you didn't know, a sorry should definitely be more than enough!

you are lucky:aah:

but tomorrow I have 'good' lessons:aah:

Cool. But no lessons at all is still cooler. HA!

ignored... sad... stupid/bad

You're not!

I dont know

tomorrow is school sooo....

I have the week off... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Better.

I haven't felt this ill in a looooong time..

First time here

 

Roxy sent me here because I chaired her ten times and gave her a headache

 

She asked for it though

I did not!

... Okay, maybe

If you would've asked me this question when i was single: I would've said YES without a doubt.. but now that i'm dating someone and i really like this person.. i can say i would think it twice and i'm not sure i would even say yes to Mika after it.

 

But i still like him

Exactly! I think the outcome of this poll just means that there are a LOT of single people here

Little secrets in my pants

"help can be more easily given" is a more formal version, which is probably why it was used for a notice. But the other option is fine and is more likely to be used in everyday speech.

 

 

 

This is grammatically incorrect, but the speaker is trying to emphasise that they don't want to read something so are letting themselves be distracted

 

I think both examples show that there is a difference between what you would write and what you might say.

'....to not read ...' is wrong; it's a split infinitive - like 'to boldly go' in Star Trek which is wrong but we've got used to it.

Thanks ^^

Well first of all the word is "whether" ("wether" is a term for a sheep )

Gosh, I know that, that's such a stupid mistake.

In your first example, it is working out where "reasonably" fits in with "may be represented by"; the first version is grammatically correct. (A native speaker can still be grammatically wrong ).

 

With your other examples, it would be helpful to know the rest of the sentences. From what you have quoted, I would go for "where help can be more easily given" and "I am trying really hard not to read".

The full sentences are:

"The train will stop if any part of the train is in the station otherwise it will continue to the next stop where help can be more easily given" (sign on the tube, I do realise it's correct, I was just wondering if the other option was also possible)

and

"Yes I am rambling, can you tell that I am trying really hard to not read?" (also written by a native speaker)

Well, thanks a lot!

Three questions:

- ... wether or not this may reasonably be represented by ...

or ... wether or not this may be reasonably represented by... ?

('cause in my book, they used the first option, but the person sitting next me (a native speaker) used the 2nd option )

- ... where help can be more easily given or ... where help can be given more easily?

- I am trying really hard to not read or I am trying really hard not to read?

Thanks!

annoyed at being talked about in front of my nose ... well, particularly at having people just making assumptions "she likes history ... she thinks shopping is boring..."

What's wrong?

Like procratinating.

babies have arrived!

from his twitter

Off topic, but your post was the 3,000th post in this thread.

Get well soon!

If someone says something like "Ive never ...", can you say "me neither" or should it be "neither have I"?