Shine

I just died

Thank you Dani

Those pages are so full of lovely curly smexy Mika pics :wub2::wub2:

Hi girls See you still drool over Mika and I feel a lot of nostalgy about him cause I have no opportunity to see him soon..but love you all and always thinking of you

As long as we're posting favorites, here are a few of mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks you girls for reminding me how beautiful he was...

I have not seen a single piece of news on Mika for a year in Hungary, so today I decided to search on the biggest newsite and there it was: a summary of the article from Instict, titled: 'Mika only likes guys' :rolls_eyes:

I never even saw that as it never made 'front page' news, not even among celeb stories. Without that story though there would have been no news on him at all, of course.

The same here:dunno:

There's a lot of short articles with the summary from Instict and headlines like "Mika has disappointed ladies". They remind readers about his previous statements on bisexuality or reluctance to be labeled though.

But at the same time there are a lot of anouncements about his new albums following video "Celebrate".

But most of comments were about his music and his great talent and not about it, concerning being gay his private thing.

Happy Birthday dear Mika

This day has always meant so much to me.

Shine you say "of course they don't" and then you go on to say that they could. Which is it? Are adults convincing teens (subconsciously or otherwise) that they are gay...or not?

 

In any case I still don't understand what any of this has to do with sexual orientation. Of course adults have the potential to manipulate and abuse teens. Men are doing it to girls all the time which is why it is illegal for adults to have sex with minors

 

If teens are "stuck in the middle" and go on to get married then what makes you think that getting involved in a homosexual relationship was turning them gay or straight? Maybe they are bisexual?

 

Adults in society are pressuring teens to be straight all the time and it really doesn't work in the long run or we wouldn't even be discussing homosexuality because it wouldn't exist.

This was just affirmative answer to your question from the preview post about convincing straight teens into gay persons. So I said that they can't do it.

I have clearly stressed that this kind of influence by openly adult gay persons to teens could have affect only those young people who are not certain about their complete identity (not only sexual orientation), because the late one is not the only thing that define human identity.

Anyway, I've thought that it would be better not to use a label bisexual because I have serious doubts about the term, even though it's possible.

yes, I appreciate his intelligence and wittiness a lot as well.

In this case I reckon that he did really change his mind, and the right time for his coming out had come.

Agreed. Well I remember that in his first interview for "Out" magazine he said that in the future he would probably change his way of speaking about his own sexuality. And back then he was totally against labels which could determine him in a wrong way. After 5 years he evolved a lot both as a person and as an artist.

I love this video. And of course, it's without Pharell appearence.

Only Mika:wub2:

Thank you for your perspective on this. I think it is safe to conclude we have similar tendencies not only due to the common history but also a more conservative interpretation of the Bible and more patristic traditions by the Orthodox and Roman Cartholic churches in this region vs Protestantism in NW Europe..

I don't have time to write more but I think it is an interesting topic as religion does shape cultures and influences an individual's thinking even if they are 'non-believers'.

Sorry I don't understand sure what you mean by "create...their own sexual identity under pressure". Do you mean adults are convincing otherwise straight teens that they are gay?

No, of course they don't. But these teenagers who are "stuck in the middle" might be turned into gay or straight persons under the strong influence of some adults on the subconscious level. I know a couple of examples when feminine young boys were openly seduced by adults and later they got married (this doesn't mean that they don't have such tendencies, but also incline to straight ones all the time).

The same is with girls. Human sexuality is so fluid that under different, complex and cultural circumstances (neurosis) at that sensitive age could be manipulated and obused by adults Imo.

I think she means it the other way around... You know teens (or children even) who feel pressured by their community to be straight, while they may feel that that's just not... them.

 

Besides, who does that, even? Apart from me that is. XD

 

Edit: Just realized now that, even though I suppose it's less common, people do have a universal tendency to create quaint little categories and while for some the only acceptable category may be straight, for others there may be straight & gay but no category for everything in between, which I believe cannot really be considered a category to begin with. So yes, there actually would be cases in which a bisexual child is pressured to be gay.

 

Can't believe I just forgot about my own bloody situation haha. Must be progress me thinks, cough cough.

Luckily you've got my point, and as you've said they are a lot of criteria to define someone as a straight, bi, gay or transgender person.

How do you explain recent anti-gay riots and banning the gay parade in your country then? I would have thought that such attitudes are part of the 'heritage' from the communist past, though feel free to disagree.

We actually have pretty much the same attitude here, though probably more willingness to act politically correct at international level - not always succeeding though.

Indeed, it' quite similar attitude. But the recent anti-gay riots and banning gay parade in Serbia are not only the part of ex-communist heritage but also a result of extreme nationalistic, conservative and clerical tendencies here. Actually we fight with these social mileux all the time, but ex Yugoslavia, as you know was not part of the Eastern block, but more politically and cultural inclined to the West.

But imo that doesn't qualify as homosexual but as phaedophile.

Yes Shine I don't understand why you mention this in relation to homosexuality. Doesn't it go without saying that no one approves of adults seducing children? Sadly there is plenty of pedophilia between men and girls (or women and boys for that matter) so it has nothing to do with hetero- or homo- sexual orientation.

Let me clear up this for you.

I didn't mean phaedophile relationships of any kind, but had in my mind those sexually confused teenage boys and girls (and it's quite normal for some of them) who could create or even twist their own sexual identity under pressure of adults and not freely, based on their own predominant tendencies.

I am happy to send my 'mikalove' to Lena right away, but I need to add that we also had the iron curtain running on the Western borders of Hungary and other Russian fans in their thirties are likely to have experienced the same. It's just that we are different as people with different levels of tolerance to accept differing views.

My exposure to gay culture was zero until my late teenage years: I never knew or heard of anyone who would be gay. All I heard (from someone in my family as it was never discussed anywhere publicly) that homosexuals were sick and dangerous to children. :blink:So I imagined them as middle-aged pervs I should be afraid of, except that this family member was also good at spotting 'gay men' on TV, like the singer of Modern Talking, who was wearing an eye-liner... Needless to say, I started to question such easily identifiable traits, so I concluded that I shouldn't believe that as it is just part of old people's fear of anything new or different coming from the Western world (now I'd call it Communist propaganda)

Next I remember hearing is that Freddie Mercury died of AIDS and that he was gay. So I thought I should quickly forget about anything I have heard so far as such a great musician can't have been all sick and evil. And that is the reason why role models do play an important part in influencing public opinion / 'educating' people. There is also one other thing I remember that helped me totally understand that gay people love the same way as any straight person does: the film Philadelphia. I remember crying at the end of it.

I think people in most part of the world are exposed to similar news and events at any particular time period and it is up to us how we contruct our own reality.

My story is a bit alike.

I was totally shocked in my 14 to know that Freddie is gay. But luckily, my mom was very supportive and tolerant (I still can't understand why? She is a soviet woman from a village! Maybe she loved me to the extent that supported my feelings in spite anything?). Btw, in my early age I remember the rumours about one actor who got into a jail only for being gay. And my mom, without digging into deep, explained that he is not bad and did nothing wrong.

So, I'm immensely grateful to Freddie and my mom. If not them, I really don't know what my beliefs and views would be now

 

Oh, is Tomas Anders a gay? I had no idea I admired Modern Talking in my childhood too!

I've never met an openly homosexual person.

As for me, I've also been living in a pretty patriarchal and homophobic country. But my father was an artist so a lot of gay people (men and women) hanged out at our house from my childhood and they didn't bother me in any way. Some of them were closeted gays (like my godfather), some of them were openly gay. We didn't live behind "iron curtain" though, on the contrary: all the time we'we been exposed to the Western influences.

The same was with my teenage idols who were gays: Freddie, George Michael, Elton John, Lihmal, even Bowie, and later actor Anthony Perkins .

I haven't payed much attention to this fact at the time of 70. and 80.

But back then there wasn't media involvent and some kind of pressure in this matter and people could live their own private lives without much problems when it comes to celebreties. As for the other people things look like a bit different.

My daughter' s best friend is a lesbian who hit on her for some time, even though she knew that K. is a straight person. When she finally came out their friendship developed in a good way for both of them. That girl has found girlfriend, and my daughter a boyfriend and they can discuss about men and women relationship in a more complex way and help out each other.

The only thing I don't like is an attempt of seduction of very young boys and girls by openly and mature gay persons.

True!

 

Because I really think he's still bisexueal actually ^^

It's not because he's now together with a man that he limits himself to only men, right?

For me, Mika is still the same ^^

He did say he was gay, no doubt, but according to psychoanalisis gay men and women can sometimes fall in love with opposite sex and vice versa. Suppose you've had this in your mind.

That deosn't mean of course that I put in question the fact Mika finally labeled himself as a gay person. Everyone has their preferences.

Yep, great song! They've played it sooo much the last few months but I still love it

 

not the video though...

It's amazing song! Reminds me of the "Police" sound.

I know this is not about Sherlock, but you should listen to this. It's

 

I read somewhere a comment "When I grow up I want to be his voice!"

 

[YOUTUBE]TdphtMWjies[/YOUTUBE]

 

John Keats. 1795–1821

 

624. Ode to a Nightingale

 

MY heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains

My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,

Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains

One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:

'Tis not through envy of thy happy lot, 5

But being too happy in thine happiness,

That thou, light-wingèd Dryad of the trees,

In some melodious plot

Of beechen green, and shadows numberless,

Singest of summer in full-throated ease. 10

 

O for a draught of vintage! that hath been

Cool'd a long age in the deep-delvèd earth,

Tasting of Flora and the country-green,

Dance, and Provençal song, and sunburnt mirth!

O for a beaker full of the warm South! 15

Full of the true, the blushful Hippocrene,

With beaded bubbles winking at the brim,

And purple-stainèd mouth;

That I might drink, and leave the world unseen,

And with thee fade away into the forest dim: 20

 

Fade far away, dissolve, and quite forget

What thou among the leaves hast never known,

The weariness, the fever, and the fret

Here, where men sit and hear each other groan;

Where palsy shakes a few, sad, last grey hairs, 25

Where youth grows pale, and spectre-thin, and dies;

Where but to think is to be full of sorrow

And leaden-eyed despairs;

Where beauty cannot keep her lustrous eyes,

Or new Love pine at them beyond to-morrow. 30

 

Away! away! for I will fly to thee,

Not charioted by Bacchus and his pards,

But on the viewless wings of Poesy,

Though the dull brain perplexes and retards:

Already with thee! tender is the night, 35

And haply the Queen-Moon is on her throne,

Cluster'd around by all her starry Fays

But here there is no light,

Save what from heaven is with the breezes blown

Through verdurous glooms and winding mossy ways. 40

 

I cannot see what flowers are at my feet,

Nor what soft incense hangs upon the boughs,

But, in embalmèd darkness, guess each sweet

Wherewith the seasonable month endows

The grass, the thicket, and the fruit-tree wild; 45

White hawthorn, and the pastoral eglantine;

Fast-fading violets cover'd up in leaves;

And mid-May's eldest child,

The coming musk-rose, full of dewy wine,

The murmurous haunt of flies on summer eves. 50

 

Darkling I listen; and, for many a time

I have been half in love with easeful Death,

Call'd him soft names in many a musèd rhyme,

To take into the air my quiet breath;

Now more than ever seems it rich to die, 55

To cease upon the midnight with no pain,

While thou art pouring forth thy soul abroad

In such an ecstasy!

Still wouldst thou sing, and I have ears in vain—

To thy high requiem become a sod. 60

 

Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!

No hungry generations tread thee down;

The voice I hear this passing night was heard

In ancient days by emperor and clown:

Perhaps the self-same song that found a path 65

Through the sad heart of Ruth, when, sick for home,

She stood in tears amid the alien corn;

The same that ofttimes hath

Charm'd magic casements, opening on the foam

Of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn. 70

 

Forlorn! the very word is like a bell

To toll me back from thee to my sole self!

Adieu! the fancy cannot cheat so well

As she is famed to do, deceiving elf.

Adieu! adieu! thy plaintive anthem fades 75

Past the near meadows, over the still stream,

Up the hill-side; and now 'tis buried deep

In the next valley-glades:

Was it a vision, or a waking dream?

Fled is that music:—do I wake or sleep? 80

It's interesting, but I prefer the intepretation by

Ben Whishaw who played the role of John Keats in the film "Bright star". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH0SdmulQRE

I find it more sensitive and romantic, but benedict is also amaziing.

All this smell talking reminds me of A la recherche du temps perdu (In Search of Lost Time or Remembrance of Things Past in english) by Marcel Proust, where the the taste of a madeleine cake dipped in tea inspires a nostalgic incident of involuntary memory. The narrator remembers having a similar snack as a child with his invalid aunt Leonie, and it leads to more memories of Combray, where the action is taken. I remember studying this book in English literature, long long ago when dinosaurs wandered the Earth...

 

The smell that remembers me most from my childhood are crayons and ink, as i used to spend the whole time drawing and painting...

 

Oh, and my granny's cooking...Even though soemtimes in restaurants i get the smell of her food, when food comes to the table it doesn't taste the same... I will never again eat that marvellous cooking again...

Right, I've thought instantly the same thing.

And the part about colllecting smells:naughty: maybe he read Patrik Züskind "Perfume". Perfect and weird novel about some mystical meaning of the (human) fragrance:aah:

It is reassuring to see many critics like MYH - that's a nice change from some previous releases. Do you like it, btw? I don't remember reading your opinion on the new songs yet.

Yes, I like them both, a bit more "Make you happy".

I wrote something about that the first day I heard them about having mixed feeling. Mika has really jumped me with the change of his musical concept.

But I find it very useful both for him and for us, his fans.

And not only in a pragmatic but also in an artistic way.

Even though I've exprected move in some other direction I can't say that he

disappointed me.

Brilliant, thanks for posting this hopefully Mika's new music will attract more fans from Serbia, and this review is so positive:thumb_yello:

http://www.mikafanclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26917&page=45

Here's the translation

OMG some of these reviewers are so clueless they take ideas from some of the comments under the videos. I remember Owl City was mentioned on the site of one of the gay magazinies that first published the video. This band is one of the very few current electro pop bands in the US - the most obvious reference Americans can think of.

 

Glad at least the reviewer added a good score and did not start complaining about the misrepresentation of gay couples in the video

Indeed, I've thought the same thing.

Even though gay scenes take just a second or two, they are still visible:aah:

Here's the short notice on Make you Happy at the Serbian website Popcorner:

http://popkutak.tk/index.php/9-muzika/11-mikahappy

Mika has released a video for "Make You Happy" - one of the songs that will be on the new album, "The Origin of Love".

I will start with the fact that I love when musicians are not satisfied with some kind of stagnation and are willing to try something new with their music. "Make You Happy" sounds more like something from Owl City opus than Mika’s but still it does not seem forced.

Song (and video as well) celebrate love and everything that follows that “annoying” package. Although it seems as if the song is a little more oriented to the fans of a good music, I'm sure it has potential for a commercial success. "Make You Happy", together with the previous single "Elle Dit Me," gives the impression that "The Origin of Love" will be a very good album that we await for.

Rate 8/10

Sounds promising

I so agree with you, Sabine.

Especially after today (I went to Lovebox). Yes, he's a bit different but the immense talent he has will always defend itself.

He's still a very young artist, he has the right to experiment. I'm sure he's never gonna lose the voice, wit and charisma and the ability to write melodious intriguing tracks. Those are the reasons I'm his fan. I'm really really excited about the new image and sound!

very well said!

I agree with you both.

First time I listened to his new songs I wasn't impressed that much, on the contrary, but after a couple of days they just stuck in my head like some old Mika songs.

Unfortunately I won't be able to listen to him this summer, but now I'm quite calm and expect his new album in good faith and mood.

I'm sure in Mika's great artistic talent and he' gonna achieve a huge success sooner or later.

yes, I know I was rude and I'm sorry...but honestly he's getting on my nerves...I was all happy cause I was expecting to hear Mika all the time but then I realized it wasn't him AT ALL in some parts

Hope that in the live version Pharrell Williams won't be there in some registered parts

Even though I kinda also don't like Pharell his participation is been reduced to a minimum so I can tolerate him.

I think Mika's quite aware of the fact that his voice doesn't click that much with some rappers but in this particular song it's been done with style Imo.

It's a voice created by a synthesizer,and then Mika,and then that voice again and again,and then Mika,and......:aah:

Right, I have very mixed feeling atm

But to be honest, I've been expecting something like that after listening to Gang Bang.

The chorus is a bit haotic Imo, except at the end

I love the vid and somehow I'm sure I'm gonna adore the song eventually:naughty:

Thanks a lot Lukrezia for your translation

Waiting for the original version I've grasped the general sense of his article and I love it.

He's so persuasive when he writes about himself and I'm also familiar with the feeling of withdraw into myself like many of us...

Can I just say I really don't like his hairstyle

I have to agree with you Silver

I can recall his better days with long curls:blush-anim-cl:

But nevertheless he looks stunning, especialy on the pics with his

adorable sister:wub2:

But in a way, it's good if the song isn't instantly recognisable as a typical Mika song. It shows he can write in different styles.

I thought Madonna was great in the eighties when most of her classic hits came out. I don't think she's as good as she used to be, but I am excited about this new song for obvious reasons and I'm excited about the AAR colab. Even more so because his vocals are on it! This is all so good for his image, before 'Origin' comes out.

I agree with that. She had some phases between 1980/1990 which I liked pretty much, more than today. Anyway, Madonna is still an pop icon and moreover it seems that Mika likes her very much (certainly more than me ).

I've expected even more: to do a duet with him.

I my country he is "The one who sings Relax". But, luckily, people know at least what Relax is.

More or less here's the similar situation. Apart from Relax, people love Grace Kelly and Big Girl, maybe Rain...

You summed up my thoughts exactly. We know that in big award shows technical problems appear very often and we know that he doesnt lip synch so all I have to say is that I enjoyed the performance of Elle me Dit very much. And the outfit was indeed cool, especially that waist thingy.

 

 

 

This is the best news!!!! A residency in an beautiful venue like Cirque d'hiver is what I've been dreaming ever since the first acoustic gigs there. Hope this happens very soon:wub2:

 

Love this interview, can't think of anything better to start the day with:wub2:

 

Thanks everyone for the links and translation

Agreed with you. I've been listening the vid several times again and at 1.34 you can really hear that he was singing. Then he sang again the chorus Elle me dit..dance toward the end.

Something's bothering me: why he hasn't been nominated for the best single Elle me dit regarding the great success of the song in France?

And yes, flowers for the translation