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I don't know if god/gods is/are just a way for people for reasoning things, because humans want and need an explanation for everything?

Yup.

I actually started a post about quantum fluctuations, but then decided that physicists should never throw physics arguments against philosophers, certainly not when theology is involved. It never ends seems to end well

Physics beats theology any day

Introducing William Lane Craig and his ramblings - and why he decides infinite regress is impossible.

- the present day is the result of successive additions of days

- the present would not exist in an infinite universe, as any chain where it is possible to add more items (eg days) is not actually infinite

- the universe is not infinite therefore has a beginning

This reminds me of my days studying sociology and arguments about whether the act of observation affected the people being observed so that you could never see "true" behaviour

God feel self conscious so hides when we watch for him?

But that's just a assertion. Why should everything that exists should have a cause?

 

I would rather say that most things are just randomly there. And only because we "use" some of them they "get" a cause.

Aquinas would argue that literally everything we can observe has a cause. It is difficult to find exception to this. (unless we go into quantum mechanics where there are observed particles with no apparent cause - which are good basis for indeed rejecting this argument).

But isn't "things just are" a philosophical viewpoint too?

Yes I suppose so, and I agree with you. But I won't get 30 marks out of it.

Thinking like this is an artificial construct due to the way the human mind works, pre-programmed to see patterns in everything. We look at things "logically" but who is to say this is the correct view? Maybe things just "are", and can't be regressed because there is no origin.

As would say David Hume - we create patterns of causation because it comforts us.

Yes, 'things just are' would be a lovely conclusion but this unfortunately is a philosophy essay. There is no easy way out.

(I will thank you when I get an A. )

Just that according to this reasoning, God exists, so therefore must have a cause as well. So what's the cause of God then?

 

If you start from the first two statements, the third automatically follows, obviously, but then those first two statements are not exactly trivial, a they?

 

Anyway, I was on my way to bed and now I'm distracted by the cosmological argument of the existence of God

Exactly. Aquinas would say however that since this first cause is NECESSARY, it is NECESSARY for it to have certain properties or it wouldn't fit the bill. It HAS to be an uncaused first cause or it wouldn't be a first cause.

If I'm staying up the night before this essay, I'm dragging everyone else down with me.

Cosmological in the sense that the existence of the laws of nature (gravity etc) imply design and therefore a designer?

I dont entirely know where the name originates so you may be right - but in this case it's purely the existence of the universe (rather than the laws within it) pointing towards the concept of a god, or first cause, at least.

eg. Aquinas:

- Everything that exists has a cause

- infinite regress of a chain of causation is impossible

- there must have been a first cause (that the rule of 'having to be caused' doesn't apply to)

- this we call God.

Thoughts?

YES, THATS A GOOD IDEA. Im done with this paper, I'll finish the rest in the morning. I'll go lie in bed now ;3

Join me.

oh but I woke at 11 ;p

 

edit: 30. 11,30

When I say bed I mean lying meaning to go to bed. Should have an early night so you don't do the same tomorrow? HMMMMMMM? *z snap*

oh, okie dokes. idk, because idk really know what youre talking about good luck though

Thank you anyways my darl. I will just cross my fingers.

IT'S NOT NORMAL TO BE THIS TIRED THIS EARLY kgshmdshdv Ive got so much hwrk to do, and for once im actually trying to do it D: this practice physics ISA is so difficult, im too tired to think

IT IS NORMAL YOU SEE I AM GOING TO BED NOW. kxks.

Worst moment ever.

 

 

 

I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WAS WHAT YOU WERE LAUGHING AT.

No, just the fact it's BOTHERS. 'OH BOTHER'.

"The NRA says that 'guns don't kill people, people do'. But I think the gun helps, you know? Just standing there going 'BANG' isn't going to kill too many people, is it?"

EDDIE IZZARD. YOU BABE.

Can you sail through the changing ocean tides?

 

If I want to.

His head is odd. IT GOES ALL THE WAY ROUND.

I hadn't noticed.

si, an angle measurer. Mmm, I think theyre looking a number. I could ask my 'friend' but she annoys me because she thinks shes so clever so Id rather not

 

 

 

If you could summarise what the arguement is about first? Then maybe, if I have anything to say about it

 

But first I need to finish an ISA practice paper ;s so in a bit!

There's a couple different versions which are complicated and bleeerch. I don't really know how to revise it.

This makes me laugh so much too much.

Don't suppose anyone wants to debate the Cosmological argument for the existence of God with me for essay practice?

Can the child within my heart rise above?

Most of the time, but sometimes not.

Oh mirror in the sky, what is love?

That's what I ask myself.

Did the landslide bring you down?

Frequently.

Did you see your reflection in snow covered hill?

Basically everyday.

Did you climb a mountain and turn around?

Yup quite a lot.

I toooook my luuuuuurve and I took it down.

Yah me too.

I KNOW I AM >:--D

 

Did you make your gif?

Nooope stole it man.