Elwendin

I just read this convo, and this is how it went: 

someone: poor mika, ben stiller only said a few words about him, and he has not even totally fallen in love with him, he was just being nice instead of fangurling and didn't claim to the world what an awesome guy and artist mika is

someone else: stiller was not nasty, he was nice enough and anyway mika is not that famous, all considered. Stiller told he's talented and handsome, which is still something. 

someone: I don't agree with you

someone else: I don't agree with you

blah blah 

and then there we go, someone is spiraling, moving the convo on a personal passive aggressive level. And that was not Ingrid:

 Why do you react like I'm a monster? 

Attempt to stop it:

Can you stop being so dramatic? (+ more sensible explanation about stiller not having been rude, trying to move the convo back to the topic again)

And one more off topic and personal attack: 

Seriously, I don't get where the temper and anger come from. If you are angry because I don't and won't agree with you, it just doesn't make any sense.

As I said, different people have different opinion. You have your opinion, I have mine. Someone agree with me, someone agree with you. 

 

One more thing, I've looked at some of your posts, and talked to some other MFCers, apparently you have a habit of posting mean post, and being mean to other MFCers, and if they responded to that, you called them oversenstitive or something similar. Maybe you didn't know or didn't mean to, but I am going to point it out to you that what you said was very harsh. Even YOU dont think so, it doesn't mean it's not. And, you can not force other people to agree with you. Stop being a bully!

 

If you still don't understand. I'm not going to reply to your post anymore, based on the history, it's obviously not a good idea to argue with you.

I cannot find a single word where Ingrid was "very harsh" as you said. I really don't know in what world you are living in, apparently it's all rainbows and ice cream, compared to the real one. She was being straightforward but totally normal, and yes, you are being oversensitive. Like, a lot. Moreover, YOU were very harsh in the first place, you spiraled and ended up calling her a bully. That is being aggressive for no reason. That would make you a bully in the first place, actually. Making up a boo boo and crying over it, blaming other people and attacking them as if it was their fault, that is a very passive aggressive behavior. That is a twisted way to bully people in the first place.

I am not angry. I don't care if you agree with me or not. What upsets me and pisses me off is the fact that you are implying that I said you were a monster just because you said a relatively innocent interview came across as disrespecting Mika and I genuinely wondered what would happen if someone was really nasty. Maybe that is the language barrier. Maybe it are cultural difference. I had no malicious intent but you twisted it that way.

 

And I am sure I know some of the MFCers you refer to. Thing is, I am a very direct person. I say what is on my mind and perhaps I do not take sensitive souls into account. But if I think something someone says is bulls**t, then I will say so. If I think something Mika says is bulls**t, I will tell him so too. You obviously have zero understanding of what bullying is, because if you and all the MFCers who accuse me of bullying did know, you would know that I would constantly insult you and make your life miserable. As someone who has been through bullying, I find it insulting that you say that. The fact that you may feel like you need to protect Mika or say good things about him at all times, does not mean that that is what I should do. I think you are accusing me of something you are guilty of. I do not agree with you and thus you play the bully card.

 

I agree. As I told, I reall wonder what their life experience is, if they can not even stand such a normal and calm chat like this one. Basically 80% of my talks at work and with people are harsher than what happened here a while ago. 
And yes, Yang, you are right, writing on this forum is very difficult at times, cause as soon as someone doesn't talk about mika as a poor helpless gigantic baby, they are accused of being nasty and bully. The only safe way to differ is to talk about nothing, like: "I like blue".  " I see, I very much appreciate your taste, but I like yellow better. Please forgive me for that, I love you, let's still be friends despite this huge difference in our opinions. I do not want to hurt anybody with my love for yellow things. Long live to Mika". 
Well, no, thanks. Long live to straightforward and funny people who are strong enough to endure a little confrontation. Too bad they are a rare breed, these days. 

I've just read this http://www.mikafanclub.com/index.php/_/mika-news/no-place-in-heaven-re-issue-due-out-november-13-r59, so I think we shouldn't expect a third repackaging to be available

So I guess you can either settle for the french stuff or order it from italy. Or buy none, of course.

I think I'll go for the italian one. 

I loved the original and I love this one verrrrry much.

Just for your poll Elwedin ;-)

Let's start a Twitter poll

Faccia a faccia interview, we are about to post it in the subtitles thread 

Most of the countries hadn't the chance to buy the albums with the French songs, but putting them on the repackage those countries don't only get 3 or 4 new songs, they also get 3 or 4 songs added to their collection they hadn't had the chance to add them to their collection earlier. 

Most of the countries don't care about French stuff. 

Indeed, and there's only half of the symphonic gig, cause the second CD is a lame repackaging instead of being about the symphonic gig. 

I've never had an idol in my whole life. 
Maybe my parents were, when I was 3, but I'm really done now with worshipping anybody.

I think that there are different versions of this repacking.

 

In fact, here's the official tracklist of the italian version..

Oh, bummer, I guess this ends my moaning.
Promiseland is there and it's not even a bonus track anymore, and all the good songs stand. 

Now, that's a repackaging I can definitely buy. 

Too bad that on his official website there's only the french version.

if he made italian song you don't want them?

Indeed. I don't want them, whenever he sings OOL or Stardust in Italian I stop singing in disappointement. When I had a seated place, I sat down and checked facebook on my phone. 

Despite what I've just said (there's personal hatred between italian lyrics and me), it's not about lyrics being in some language or another. Well, maybe it also is, actually, cause you can learn or appreciate one or two songs in an unknow language, but you just can't take too much of them, unless you love the language and want to learn it. I have zero interest in spanish, so I can't be bothered to listen to a whole bunch of spanish songs.... or korean, or german or whatever. 

I'm lucky enough to know English, French and Italian, so I understand all his songs, but if he massively switched to Russian, I'd just end up moving on, bye man. 

Language aside, it's also about the songs being good or being bad. 

French good pop song = ok (EMD for instance)

French dull song = no 

Yesterday a French native speaker told me that some of those songs sound like an old french song from the 50ies, and she meant it in a good way. 

But you can't expect people from all over the world to like some super old boring french song. Just like I don't expect most people worldwide to love Center of Gravity: the italians will, the others, not much. Some songs spring from a cultural background, therefore they can do very well in that very country, but they will fail on a world level. 

Stars are lighting renaissance, everything is making sense always finding enlightened impeccable data (??Hearing that, too)

I heard something about data, but I thought "I must be wrong" cause it's all so non sensical that I couldn't trust my ears..... Then I asked for help, and yeah, apparently it's that. The funny thing is that no one can be sure cause they are almost random words, so we can't rely on the line meaning to figure out the strange sounding words here and there. We'll need to read them when they will be released.... 

Craptastic Totally love it. On repeat

Super OT, but since the lyrics are coming up super super weird (totally faithful to the original weirdness of the song), I'd like you to read those ones instead. 
Still weird, but they make sense at times, and when they do, they are beautiful. This is the song I've always wished for someone to dedicate it to me. 


 

The care

Ok, some people had fun trying to figure out the lyrics. 

They don't make sense, as the italian ones didn't, and we are so not sure about what we wrote down, but join our quest and help us to improve them!

Adele begs to differ.

Are the majority of French fans really more interested in all these French songs than the English ones? It is not just the UK where his album sales have fallen since LICM and TBWKTM. And you can't blame lack of promo in France since he's been on prime time TV more in the past 2 years than in the entire rest of his career put together.

I agree. And even if they were very into it, France has 66 millions inhabitants, VS 7 billions worldwide.... 

It's like he gave up on the big deal and focused on running the little neighbour shop. 

Which is ok, but I just like to figure out what's happening, I like to discuss things. 

I'm not interested in career myself, so I really get it. 

Sometimes I think he should do a statement, like "bye, I've decided to focus on France and a little bit on Italy, adieux". But he's actually doing it through his choices. We don't need a statement, we just need to look at his work

- symphonic cd: Overrated is out, Drunk is out, Heroes is out. I know a whole gig can't fit on one cd, but the solution was a double cd. We'll get half a symphonic gig and a NPIH repackaging instead. We only can hope Sky will broadcast Como without any cut, so that we will be able to save it as a mp3. I really don't get what's Mika/label's interest in forcing people to buy a repackaging, I swear, instead of a nice special symphonic full edition alone. 

-repackaging: ten days ago he said: "I didn’t put Promiseland on the definitive album and I made a huge, stupid mistake. And I’m singing it during the live shows for a bit to compensate, to make up for this mistake, but at the same time I don’t like to hear I made a mistake. So shut up! That’s enough!" So I didn't really expect to see good songs like Promiseland and Rio being shunned to make room for a bunch of dull and boring french songs. I do love some catchy ones, EMD, BBB, J'ai pas envie even, but the others are just on my "geez, I have to skip this one again" list. And I do like French, I live in a bilingual region, I can get to France faster than in Milan. But some of them are really too much to bear. I was chatting to someone today on Twitter, and they told me that some of those songs sounds like a french song from the 50ies and that lyrics are part of their appeal. Well, I do understand French and I still think they are bad, I only can imagine how the rest of the world would (not) like them. 
This repackaging seems only targeting the French speaking world, so I don't think it's fair to match it with the (half) symphonic cd. It's like "do you want the special symphonic stuff? Good, also buy the french monotous tune and suck it up". 
It's a dangerous road to go, as people could simply download it illegally from the internet and say bye. You can't stretch it too far.... some day it won't work anymore. 

PS it just occured to me that maybe the dull french songs could appeal to a symphonic music listener? I usually think that symphonic and classical music is boring too, so maybe that's it. Are they trying to twist NPIH a bit to match a symphonic taste, instead of leaving it alone and do a double OMS cd?

Anyway, I'm really lost, I don't understand what the intention is. Mika always says on XF that an artist should convey a clear intention but I'm not sure what he is conveing with this project.

There's your answer: 

 

i love love love love love love love love this version of the song!

I can't stop listening to this song!

 

 

Haha do you think the Italians will like it?

For sure. 

Most italians like the original one and this is pretty much the same. 

Not sure how many would admit it tho, just like as in Sarà perchè ti amo, although Battiato is considered more artistic and intellectual than Ricchi e poveri. Battiato is cool, Ricchi e Poveri are lame (and everybody liked them, deep down  )

It makes no difference

 

Generally "centre" is English spelling and "center" is US spelling - but even that isn't always true

I know, but I'm sure there's an official title. 

It's Center, I have edited the title 

Thanks!!!! 

Wait !

Is it Centre or Center???? 

I don't want the thread title to be wrong!!! 

Surprise surprise, here it is, suddenly available on I -Tunes and Spotify. 

Centro di Gravità is an old italian song from the early 80ies by Battiato. 

Mika and Battiato himself just released a new version in English: Centre of Gravity. 

I'm looking forward the lyrics (I'll try to listen to them in a while) as I've always loved this song. Like Sarà perchè ti amo (aka Talk about you), it belongs to my childhood and those childhood songs, you never forget. 

I think this version is very similar to the original version, no huge re-arrangement, and I'm happy with that.

I'm very curious to see if not italian people will like it.

I think it's very catchy, but I have my reasons, not sure everybody agrees.

Ok, some people had fun trying to figure out the lyrics. 

They don't make sense, as the italian ones didn't, and we are so not sure about what we wrote down, but join our quest and help us to improve them!

We say "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".

Oh, the actual italian saying is exactly the same 

"a caval donato non si guarda in bocca". 

I do not have any snazzy dress, but somehow something decent popped up while switching my clothes from summer wardrobe to winter one, so I took it a little further and I added heels and looked for a long lost bag. Both shoes and bag are still not very posh, but you'll never see me better than that. At least I didn't look like a boy.
Also, I gathered all the meds I bought to be sure to be fine in London, thank God the border patrol didn't get suspicious on that, I was very close to look like a dealer. I just couldn't give up to my super pro winter jacket. I was not going to freeze just to show off some stupid coat.

Intention: going to Como early, enjoy the place, sightseeing, meeting people, having fun, attending the gig, having some more fun chatting with people after it, while waiting for the man to (not) come out.

What happened: the damn car had a broken light, so I spent the morning trying to find someone to fix it, left after lunch feeling a little sick (I've been feeling bad for days, but you don't surround to some bad ass sore throat when you cannot call in sick at work and you have a ticket for Como gig). Struggled to prevent Como crazy drivers to bump into my car, struggled even more to find a parking spot, had the ultimate proof that every Chiara navigator system is totally worthless, when not a nuisance. Saw the lake! Which actually means drove by it while multitasking on the things I just mentioned. Eventually parked, yay, and walked downtown to finally meet peeps and have dinner. Actually felt a bit overwhelmed since I was feeling worse and my social skills decrease as my temperature increase. Took some nice pics from the restaurant terrace. Left cause I wasn't able to cope anymore, not to mention to speak, took some more pics of the venue by night.
When I finally got into the theatre, feeling like Sissi the princess being surrended by all that gold and red, my voice was long gone, but it's not like I would have needed it. You don't sing along in such a concert. You shut the #### up. You don't ruin your unique experience and everybody else's around you. You only want to listen to his voice.
It's so different from usual, it's more rounded, more complete. My English is not good enough to describe it, but the word I naturally came up with is "glorious". The whole thing was. I'm not used to any of it, so probably this is why I am so impressed. The beauty of the threatre, all those musicians playing together, the sound itself. That word popped in my mind during "Heroes", which is usually a song I like on an average level, but not my fav for sure. I totally loved Overrated, Drunk, Happy Ending and some others, but that was no surprise. I already knew I would.
I didn't expect to go woah on Heroes. But I did. It tells how much songs are different than usual in such a gig.
I spent the whole gig trying to fully listen to that voice and that sound, as I was aware that no recording can save that, although I couldn't help myself and I did dub many songs and slightly danced. Like, I was gently shaking my head and shoulders. What can you do. I'll always be a little peasant, no matter how much you cover it with heels and velvet.
For some weird reason, I was not even totally annoyed by people yelling at him and holding boards for him to read them. It did not happen much and it was like a fil rouge connecting this enchanted world with the real one he comes from. We all come from. Like a Converse popping up under a Valentino suit. Well, at times the XF Converse got too blatant but it was overall ok.
Every time a song ended, I was looking at the musicians in horror, fearing to see them stop, but they kept picking up new scores. Thank God.
To cut a long story short, I knew I should have gone to Como no matter what, and I was right.
It was mind blowing and I'll remember it for like forever.
I wasn't well enough to schmooze, although I'm very happy to have met some people (I do, I promise), but I was fine enough not to miss the gig and I could enjoy every second of it. I did not enjoy very much waiting for him after that, cause it was a little hectic, long, and I wasn't able to speak anymore so I did not chat. I realize that I actually was a bit of a loner, but whatever. Friends will understand.
When he finally got out, he did stop. Well, that was an unexpected surprise, like Heroes. I take it that the Sky cameraman holding a pro camera and another one swinging a huge fluffly mic were the actual reasons why, but in Italy we say "you don't go picky on the horse mouth, when the horse comes for free"
He wasn't really chatty, I think, but I managed to tell him how much I liked the gig (which I usually don't do, but this time was different), then my dog trainer attitude took over and I told him that Amira was targeting a toy someone bring for the dogs. He replied but I can't remember what he said, for the life of mine.
I left immediately after, so I don't know how the rest of it went.
This is how my special Mika week ended, after London, after Faccia a Faccia, after Como: having biscuits and Nutella at 5 a.m. , along with a hot beverage/drug against the cold, which was helpless. I reckon Nutella makes it so.
I even tried to go to work today, but I had to call in sick. First time in ages. It's time for some bad ass antibiotics , but I regret nothing.

OK, I'm back with some more information about the pub meet-up.

 

I AM FLABBERGASTED. 

I've never seen such a perfect organization in my whole life!!!! 

Deb, you are a super hero!!!!!!  

I thought I was supposed to fight my way to the counter in order to get some food or whatever, like Mika himself was the bartender, order something random and then pray all the gods hoping it wasn't Donald Trump level expensive. 

You planned and posted it all, instead!!!!! 

I should have hired YOU as a wedding planner. 

Omg, we can even pre-order. 

AWESOME!!!!         

I was thinking - maybe artificial flowers? You can find them in pound land, for example.

 

They did it in Milan, but only the very first rows had flowers, so it's something he already saw, but it wasn't massive

There are other simple symbols like - sunflower, the golden letter M. 

Or everybody could hold a sun on Staring at the Sun?

 

Other abstract idea is holding a spoon in the right moment of the lyrics on All She Wants, because this what everybody could get and the fact, it is really just a soon appeals to me, it would a bit bizarre and funny I guess? But it might be a little bit too odd. 

A spoon!  It is funny and I like this idea!  

Cons: I don't think EasyJet would allow people to bring it   

Pros: I'm pretty sure there are different ways to get a spoon in London.   (Flash news *** mysterious thief is sacking pubs and restaurants in London***)

Cons: I'm not sure he's going to sing it  

In Zurich people brought those

I think it's nice to see and requires zero effort but since it's already been done, it might not be that original.

In Zurich people brought those . I think it's nice to see and requires zero effort but since it's already been done, ot might not be that original.

Does this mean the OSM disc won't be released on its own?

I think so.... but is that an issue?

I really like the Mika parts, looking forward to hearing purely his version! He said there will be one? 

http://faremusic.it/2015/10/02/riedizione-di-no-place-in-heaven-con-mika-che-duetto-con-battiato-centre-of-gravity/