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OH wow, I like both Michele and Soprano, I'm actually quite exited 

41 minutes ago, silver said:

 

Camp is something exaggerated for humorous effect, whereas cheesy is more trying too hard and going over the top - too sentimental, too tacky (something that makes you inwardly cringe).

 

Camp got to be associated with effeminate gay men mainly because gay comedians would exaggerate those mannerisms for laughs (Larry Grayson, Kenneth Williams,  - a more modern example would be Tom Allen).

Thanks, I knew the difference between camp and cheesy, just pointing out they may get confused, same with camp/kitsch but I dont think Ive express myself very well

I wasnt aware of the gay comedians however and I guess I can see Mika's tv persona as an atempt at camp - he was the bitchy one X Factor, some segments of Casa Mika - but otherwise it seems reductive and dare I say innacurate ( while Mika does inhabit some gay stereotypes, effeminacy isnt really one of those ).

Now if someone would want to describe Mika as flamboyant thats something I'll totally agree with

On 1/10/2020 at 12:55 PM, mellody said:

Also I had an idea for the tiger yesterday, I never understood so far why a tiger would represent Mika...

I dont know why but when I saw that tiger on the cover I immediately thought of the song Eye of the Tiger

This song still doesnt make any sense to me if it is not about drag queens

9 minutes ago, mellody said:

(btw it even mentions Mika as an example, in the section "around the world"

I wasnt trying to argue that Mika isnt camp ( though the line mentioning him asks for a reliable citation too ) but about the fact that kilts arent camp

1 hour ago, WeirdChild said:

I have never seen people say camp means cheesy. They are nothing alike. Camp is like a bit femenine, a but gay and its a fantastic really good thing. 
 

we stan a camp King

Uhm, cheesy and camp are strongly related aestethics, the first is just more naive lol. Anyway, I assumed it was outdated to use camp as a description of behaviour but I guess in UK camp still means 'effeminate gay man'?, though I always took the articles describing Mika as camp as an ironic way of saying 'this is fun bad taste'

15 hours ago, Siri said:

 

 

 

Sorry to ask buuuut...what does camp mean? 

As @silver said the term is hard to describe but its basically self-couscious ironic kitsch, it is something that would be considered bad taste but the joke is that both the 'artist' and the audience know it is tacky or over the top which gives its camp value to a piece of clothing, art etc. Personally, I would consider Mika's earlier style and the suits from X Factor as camp not this skirt or his more recent style.

Also camp is just an aestethic, when people ( and I dont mean fans to be clear ) call Mika or any other person camp it is oftenly dismissive and meant as 'cheesy'

38 minutes ago, WeirdChild said:

Still really camp, i love it so much

Oh I liked it too, but calling it camp seems like a very anglocentric view and I was quite surprised by how people reacted haha, to me this is the least camp/most boring outfit of the three he had worn.😅

On 1/24/2020 at 3:34 AM, WeirdChild said:

Mikas kilt/shorts thing is gay culture and im proud of him. Probably not the weather for it tho, if its as cold there as it is in the UK

Funnily enough, fustanellas are a tradionally male garment in the Balkans/Greece

42 minutes ago, krysady said:

Or maybe it was a little bit of everything, he saw the comments on social media and he also realized that it simply didn't work having that ordinary choreography on stage during his gigs, he needs to perform in his own way and not moving along with other dancers . So he totally changed his mind and from the Britney-Spears-like show he goes now to George-Michael-like show 

 

Thats my feeling too actually, and I bet he loved how well that performance in Palermo was received 

3 minutes ago, mellody said:

Or maybe he just saw at the U.S. gigs that a big show with dancers isn't necessary to achieve what he wants.

Max liked one of my tweets asking if they have given up on dancing and playing at the same time way before the US shows and if Im not remembering wrong Mika said something about how he will have a whole month in the summer just for rehearsing with the new band which obviously didnt happen. Anyway, it doesnt really matter

12 minutes ago, maggie112 said:

I saw some critical comments on Twitter about the Ice Cream girls, but few were tagging him, so I really don’t know if he decided to remove the dancers just for those... maybe he wasn’t really sure yet himself yet about the whole thing 

9 minutes ago, mellody said:

No, I don't think he removed the dancers because of the comments. But I saw lots of comments about it, Mika even replied to one of them on IG... it was something about Big Girls, after he had posted the pics of the video shoot (before the video was released).

He might've removed the dancers for the tour simply because it was too expensive.

Eh, there was clearly a negative reaction to the whole band change, I wouldnt be surprised if that influenced him to change his mind about the tour ( I wanted to look up the comments for that performance at Seat Music Awards but the video was deleted , there were many people criticizing the performance in a constructive way imo not just being mean ); though yeah most of the italian/french shows arent sold out so that might have forced him to cut the costs of the production.

12 minutes ago, mellody said:

 

Lol!  He only did that for Ice Cream, and he had finished writing his album by then, so that connection doesn't really make sense.  Nice of him though that he decided to go on tour without the dancers despite wanting to tell us to go to hell for the comments about them.

 

Thanks for the translation, lormare, your English is perfectly fine!

I thought the same... I was wondering actually if he meant the comments about Boum Boum Boum or he wanted to complain but didnt know in what other context to bring that up lol.

I think most people didnt like the dancers because they just werent very good, nor they were playing/singing live - nothing to do with what he is saying. I wrote something on twitter about how it is silly to sing 'I want your ice cream' at women but I doubt he saw that

Ive actually seen more criticism for having a woman in the Tiny Love music video ( though it was more people wishing he would have a man in a video for once, not a demand ) and I did comment on that too.

1 hour ago, lormare73 said:

I discovered the perverse joy of writing from Michael Holbrook point of view. Mika made television, read the reviews, was asked by fans not to film videos with good looking girls, pretending to be a heterosexual male… I wanted to tell everybody to go to hell! And what better way to do that? Becoming someone else. Someone who is really the real me and has my birth name. With this feeling I finally felt free and I started to write. I promised myself to do that only at home: in Florida, in London and finally in a rented house in  Tuscany. In this home-like environment I found myself like I still was “Mica with the c”, writing without thinking too much at the consequences, with a joy that allowed me to face lightly very difficult topics, that I had never had the courage to write about.

I dont get this  I still fail to see any difference

34 minutes ago, Anna Ko Kolkowska said:

 

 

Because Mika was filming it a few days later. Late at night. All the rest was already finished.

Oh thats even more awkward

16 minutes ago, mellody said:

Also the contrast between him alone up there, in white, and the many colourful dancers on stage is too big, imo. Maybe a slow song with only few dancers that are dressed in white as well would've been better... like at the Andrea Bocelli concert.

Yep, I wanted to point that out too - I wish there was some continuity at least in their styling if nothing else.

5 minutes ago, Kumazzz said:

FRANCE 2

 

Mika - "Relax, take it easy"

 

https://www.france.tv/spectacles-et-culture/chanson-francaise/1101925-mika-relax-take-it-easy.html

 

🔻VIDEO file ( TS / 43.7MB ) Mika - Relax, take it easy.ts

 

 

I dont get why Mika had to be on the Eiffel Tower and not on stage with everyone else. I feel like Ive just watched two different performances that some video editor put together by mistake

4 hours ago, MatanBenYosef224 said:

This version of "Dear Jealousy" is so much better then the studio recording, is it just me?

I agree.

4 hours ago, Mikasister said:

As I say from the beginning Dear Jealousy it is a fantastic song to be played on the radios and that should have been the first single 

Its not single material to me, maybe with a less dated production

41 minutes ago, krysady said:

 

Maybe this is exactly the explanation, she is trying but this is the most she can get about being girly, even if she's trying hard...  and if you read all the lyrics from this point of view, they really make sense, all of them, imo 

Thats what I wanted to say too haha

11 minutes ago, Mikasister said:

 

I could probably warm up to this song if I knew its about drag queens

8 hours ago, mellody said:

 

Do the CDs in Romania have the Parental Advisory sticker? Here they don't, but I agree that this is standard practice - just maybe the reasons why it has to be done are different in each country?  I think he doesn't sing "f*ck" anywhere on the album. "s**t" might not be a reason for censoring everywhere. And "whore" isn't in the written lyrics, maybe they didn't notice.

Theres no physical release in Romania but the digital 'explicit' version doesnt have a sticker which is quite funny tbh because you cant tell the difference between the two albums at first glance.

As far as I know the artists decide if they want a content warning and its usually printed on the cover and distributed everywhere the same; I actually checked with VPN and this clean version seems to be available in other countries too, on streaming at least

'Bitch' isnt bleeped out either lol.

48 minutes ago, krysady said:

Don't tell him twice 

46 minutes ago, sara09 said:

 

Me neither, actually! I wonder what is it based on? Since each country has its own Spotify, for example, is it up to each company to add (or not) the censored version? 

Oh really? 

There are two versions of the album - clean & explicit and Ive seen it everywhere ( digital stores and streaming I mean ). I thought this is standard practice ( have a visible parental advisory sticker on the artwork or do a double release ) but maybe just in Romania lol.

8 hours ago, giraffeandy said:

 

It isn't just this line, the whole song is trash... Makes me uncomfortable to listen to because it's so bad.

I actually thought the whistle metephor was pretty clever when I heard it, but I also think Ice cream is genius in some parts

Dunno maybe Im just the typical target audience for radios, but between a song repeating the word 's**t' for like 9 times and a song full of cringe innuendos I would chose the second.

44 minutes ago, Kumazzz said:

Preview

 

Télé Loisirs

https://www.programme-tv.net/news/tv/242455-exclu-les-130-ans-de-la-tour-eiffel-mika-sinspire-du-groupe-pnl-et-realise-une-prestation-epoustouflante-video/

 

Exclu. Les 130 ans de la Tour Eiffel : Mika s'inspire du groupe PNL et réalise une prestation époustouflante ! (VIDEO)

 

A l'occasion des 130 ans de la Tour Eiffel ce samedi sur France 2, Mika a réalisé une très belle performance s'inspirant du célèbre groupe de rap PNL.

 

 

Samedi 26 octobre, France 2 fêtera le 130ème anniversaire de la Tour Eiffel lors d'un show exceptionnel. Autour de Stéphane Bern et Marie-Sophie Laccarau, une dizaine d'artistes de renom se succédera au pied du monument préféré des Français. On pourra notamment retrouver Florent Pagny, Kendji Girac, Yannick Noah, Isabelle Boulay, Vincent Niclo, Marc Lavoine ou encore Mireille Mathieu. Mais aussi des prestations spectaculaires avec les danseuses du Paradis Latin et du Moulin Rouge. Glamour et patrimoine seront les maîtres mots de cette soirée anniversaire.

 

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Excluded. The 130th anniversary of the Eiffel Tower: Mika is inspired by the PNL group and performs a breathtaking performance! (VIDEO)

 

On the occasion of the 130th anniversary of the Eiffel Tower this Saturday on France 2, Mika performed a very good performance inspired by the famous PNL rap group.

 

Saturday, October 26, France 2 will celebrate the 130th anniversary of the Eiffel Tower during an exceptional show. Around Stéphane Bern and Marie-Sophie Laccarau, a dozen famous artists will succeed at the foot of the favorite monument of the French. We can notably find Florent Pagny, Kendji Girac, Yannick Noah, Isabelle Boulay, Vincent Niclo, Marc Lavoine or Mireille Mathieu. But also spectacular performances with the Latin Paradis and Moulin Rouge dancers. Glamor and heritage will be the key words of this birthday party.

 

 

 

Free the nipple too, Mika! lol

33 minutes ago, krysady said:

I would rather tend to believe that the topic of the video it is a sensible one for Italy in general ( and not only Italy ), especially for some political authorities...after all, Vatican it's there.  But your theory it's possible as well. I don't know, probably Italians understand better this issue from inside, the reasons might be far from our guesses  

Yeah who knows, his UK label comissioned the video though and the official version is slightly censored actually ( the scene with that guy sucking off Mika's ring finger is longer and there arent those odd cuts to his hand in the directors cut ), thats why I thought his italian label had a different issue.

Maybe they were just mad he didnt filmed a music video for Tomorrow and Im overthinking