NowTheDreamsWontDo

I love it already! This is what a broken heart feels like. The hope and the dreams that never fail to exist even in the most miserable of times, whether personal or not-so-personal. Please promise me to never stop writing ever and to have a follow up as soon as I've finished reading (which is approximately 14 minutes from now).

did you go to any of the listening parties or 'only' heard the live version last summer?

No I haven't unfortunately... Yeah the live version with the subs.

I think I've pulled!!!

 

lol

 

xxx

Pulled. Wha~?

I'm supposed to be near fluent XD

Hope it has Elle Me Dit in English as well... That version is hilarious XD

No problem. I don't have the money to go or the job to make money, but I can't staaaaaand my memory failing on me haha. I haven't forgotten to ask anything tho, have I?

Ok I've send an email to the G-A-Y person who handles this asking about:

How, when and where to get tickets

What kind of a night it is (club night or gig...-gig-night)

Age restrictions

I'm in the process of convincing my friend she simply HAS to go!

 

The thing is, it's such a late one, will need to book a hotel too!

 

xxx

You lucky... Ok imma keep it clean but yeah baby! If she can't make it you can tryyyy and convince me if you like haha.

I'm not in London before that day:/ Do you think there are still some tickets available in the evening or can I get them earlier on that day from other bars?

I am going to email the bar and see what they say. I've checked the new posters, but on them it says to get the wristbands at the bar, but not when to get them or where these gigs are. It's strange I'll post here ASAP.

Yeah I think so! It says it starts late and ends early xD

That's brilliant.

Yeah age restrictions is usually 18+ and as this appears to be a kinda regular club night I'd say it will be that night as well

@NowTheDreamsWontDo To answer you shortly, I don't believe everyone is born bisexual.

@smokesignal I understand what you mean but I cannot relate to it at all.

So, therefore, I just leave it, like I said.

Me neither, this was just one one example.

I have explained it already, but let me do it one more. You said you were straight but could imagine yourself in a relationship with a woman, So you imply that it would be your lifestyle choice as biologically you are hetero. Homosexuality being a lifestyle choice and therefore something unnatural and to be fought against is a typical view of homophobes.

That's all I meant. I am sure you were not thinking too much into what you wrote, so I am not blaming you or anything but your claims sound totally contradictory and I wanted to explain why I thought so.

I know it's a serious conversation, but seeing you two misunderstanding each other constantly is actually pretty funny anyhow, there is a difference between being bisexual and realizing there will always be a chance than you could one day be attracted to a person of the same sex. You know, like: a girl is born with the fate of falling in love exactly 100 times, 99 times with a guy, once with a girl. I suppose the label she chooses just depends on when she falls in love with the girl. True, technically the girl will be always be bisexual, but she can't know she is so until she does fall in love with the girl. Until that time, she has two options: labelling herself as straight (full stop) OR labeling herself straight wile realizing she can't know what the future has in store for her, thus accepting its fluidity beforehand. (yeah ok third option: labeling herself as a lesbian, then bi, perhaps later on straight BUT NOT MY POINT LOL)

I think both options are valid, but if you don't make the distinction it could come across as terribly homophobic.And I hope it makes sense :S

Will there be tickets on sale or are they available only at the event?

I know for sure you can get tickets (or wristbands, I believe) in advance at probably all the other gay venues, check my earlier post

He didn't say he is sexually attracted by women,he only said he likes women like Dita Von Teese I like some women too and that doesn't mean I'm lesbian.

Is it just me or was the question too silly to be answered seriously anyway?

I'd say his coming out was at Heaven, but obviously coming out during is gig is not being picked up by the press, so to get it over with he kind of had to do an interview about it, and a gay magazine would be the logical choice there. And I don't remember who said it, but I thought it was very well put: he does not call the press because he is lonely. Telling the story behind an album is part of the promo, regardless of what that story is.

 

I still don't think the Danish thing was actually a coming out. The way it was phrased was just off. "my fans would not be surprised to hear if I was in a relationship with a man" or something like that. To me, that sounded more like the answer to a question like "Are you not discussing your sexuality because you are afraid to loose fans if they hear you're gay".

You say that him dedicating TOOL at Heaven was his first coming out, I completely agree. And honestly, I have never ever seen him more nervous, or that nervous, actually. It doesn't come off in the videos (the ones I've seen anyway) at all, but it was so obvious at the moment. That alone makes me believe that it was not a mere promotional tool. Ofcourse it was planned, how could it not be? In a lot of the articles quoting the American article was a reference to him dedicating the song the "the man he loves" as well, by the way! It may not have reached the whole wide world after the gig, but it definitely was the start of a new era.

@Polysemia I hope so. I remember how much I loved the acoustic version of We Are Golden and it was only a bonus track on the Jspanese edition.

Someone posted link to TOOL on Amazon and it is described as a double CD Should that be true there is room for acoustic versions.

I thought he mentioned that there was going to be English & French album versions as well... But let's hope for acoustic versions TOO hehe.

Of course it doesn't mean that. I said my husband is tolerant. He can definitely NOT imagine himself being attracted to men and women alike. I said he is tolerant because he wouldn't surely mind how I describe myself. I can define how I feel, it looks I just call it with a different word than you/maybe someone else would do. I'm allowed do it, because it's a personal thing and that was my original point It doesn't matter what dictionary says, in real life we all define these terms in our own way.

 

(Lol, I was quoting Mika when I wrote "call me whatever you want" because I thought it was funny, but out of context the joking tone disappears.)

I get both your points and honestly, I can't say of either of you that you're wrong, or Absolutely right, for that matter. I do think that when you are 100% convinced you are straight and don't even think about the possibility of fancying a person of the same sex, you may just not realise you fancy that person. I mean, when I was about 15 yo, I had this boyfriend. He told me that people may assume I'm gay, but that doesnt actually make me gay. He then continued with the words that basically changed my life: But I'm only going to believe you when you say you're straight when you're 86 years old and lying on your death bed.

He was so f'ing right. Couldn't help cursing the boy 2 years later. It was just a tiiiiiny crush on a waitress, but for some reason that was the start of a whole new life and I believe with all my heart that I might not have noticed, even, if I hadn't believed it was going to happen one day to begin with.

G-A-Y is a kind of brand. You've got the one on old Compton street (a.k.a gay street) which is the G-A-Y bar one (a.k.a my home-away-from-home haha), then G-A-Y late near Tottenham Court Road which Is opened late, then one in Manchester, and one nicknamed Heaven. And honestly, When I was in London for Mika's Heaven gig I went to the G-A-Y bar, and couldn't find a gay girl to save my life, so I definitely wouldn't worry about going. Do believe Heaven is supposed to be more for the guy-gays.

Edit: I believe you can get (free) wristbands for these gigs in advance in the other bars... Always says so on the promotional posters anyway.

Ik heb ING, maar ik werd ook niet gebeld. Heel vreemd.

Bij mij deed ideal het ook niet... Maar kreeg uiteindelijk wel een bevestiging, dus bij mij is het toch in orde.

not sure what you mean but one giant step can be decriminalising it. It is still illegal in some countries so people get sent to prison or even get capital punishment for it

Meant just that actually. Not mini steps like decreasing the amount of jail time from 20 to 19 years but decriminalising it altogether ASAP.

...approaching it from another perspective though, institutionalized homophobia does make a country homophobic. The question is where you draw the line: if it is criminizing homosexuality of 'only' not providing equal rights to gay people that counts as anti-gay attitudes institutionalized in any given country.

One step at a time but HUGE giant steps?

Does anybody know how they are going to check the two tickets pp rule? Because I need to buy them for me, a friend who's broke, my mother and a family of four who are on their holiday... :S

Unfortunately this column is written in Dutch, but perhaps (google)translater can help:

http://moskoerier.wordpress.com/tag/homofobie-in-rusland/

 

I don't post this to put oil on the fire, but to try to make things clearer.

Without making any judgement or rushing to any conclusions, I don't think there is such a thing as a non-homophobic country. I mean, I live in what is supposed to be the least homophobic country in the world and the first to legalize gay marriage (or you know, marriage), and I work & study in the most liberal city in that country, but even here there is homophobia everywhere.

I guess one can't be 'pressured' to be gay though, only 'considered' to be gay, but I think it has more to do with the fact that some people can be uncertain about their orientation. For example, is a guy who leaves his family for another man gay or bi? Did he really fall for his wife or 'forced himself' to settle? Perhaps not even the person is sure.

It reminds me of George Michael saying how his Brazilian lover 'taught him' he was gay. When I first heard that I thought he was either talking about a 'gay lifestyle' he was exploring or, worst case scenario, make excuses why he was hiding it before. For he must have realised his orientation by the end of his twenties without anyone having to tell him However, I tend to believe now that he was talking about considering himself bisexual and his guy persuading him that he was actually gay.

 

I think sexuality could definitely be more complex for some people than being put into 2 or 3 categories. Is a transvestite gay or straight, for example? Or what about a person defining themselves as genderless?

Hmmm... I guess we have landed here at the old "label" discussion... I think what you said about George's lover is probably right, but it completely depends on how you define aaall these labels, as you more or less pointed out already. I used to ask people what their definitions for me being straight/bi/gay would be, and then base my answer on theirs. Not the quickest method but it works and makes people think. Anyway, I think the main question should be if you count "just" attraction as being part of your sexuality, or to define it by who you fall in love with. It sounds silly to even think about that, but I find it is actually really effective. I'm just guessing here obviously, but George may have been attracted to men and women, but have fallen in love with this Brazilian guy, thus learning from him that ultimately, he is gay.

Bottom line: I hate labels lol.

Sorry I don't understand sure what you mean by "create...their own sexual identity under pressure". Do you mean adults are convincing otherwise straight teens that they are gay?

I think she means it the other way around... You know teens (or children even) who feel pressured by their community to be straight, while they may feel that that's just not... them.

Besides, who does that, even? Apart from me that is. XD

Edit: Just realized now that, even though I suppose it's less common, people do have a universal tendency to create quaint little categories and while for some the only acceptable category may be straight, for others there may be straight & gay but no category for everything in between, which I believe cannot really be considered a category to begin with. So yes, there actually would be cases in which a bisexual child is pressured to be gay.

Can't believe I just forgot about my own bloody situation haha. Must be progress me thinks, cough cough.

Come to Toronto! My whole neighbourhood is openly gay peeps.

 

The guy who sold me my loft fancied my dad.

Where do you live, and do you know an estate agent? XD