Jaela

Huh, all of Mika's words are making this far more confusing 😂. I think he said at the start of his performance for Indeed that he had to write a song from someone else's perspective for the movie, right? It would make sense to me that he went back to the time when he was an adolescent to relate to the boy in the movie (considering they played his song during the scene with the boy i guess it was his perspective, though surely they cut a lot in the editing cause it was only a few seconds!). So that's how i see the music video too, as his younger self who was still trying to find his place in the world, tried to break through in the music industry despite many setbacks and people rejecting him... it could have made him ask himself "who's gonna love me now?"

And maybe it's also him looking back to his younger self and worrying now that he's older that he's "out of fashion", I can imagine that maybe after the pandemic he had doubts about if his comeback would be well received! Though I'm sure with all the love he received at all the festivals and after Eurovision those worries have vanished 😁. 

In any case I think it's a very sweet video, it warms my heart that he shares such intimate footage with us 🥺. For me it matches perfectly with the lyrics, I love the calm atmosphere and the contrast between work mode Mika and playful Mika in the videos

Going to drop this here as well, lest we forget why we have MFC Pride in the first place, cause we all know that transphobic comments on this forum were the catalysator to organise this. We managed to turn a bad event into something nice which brings us all together, but sadly these so called "terfs" continue to pose a danger to the whole LGBTQ+ community. 

I received these comments in response to me opposing homophobia under Disney's recap of Disney Pride... it is a lot. 

Do let me know if this is "not the place" (cause when is it ever the place to bring up uncomfortable issues?), but I want to put it somewhere, because it angers me. I guess i'm also leaving it here because i know that the intended crowd will be reading it. Terf ideologies contribute directly to endangering not only trans people, but also everyone else in the community. And yes, that includes Mika, you can see the comments he is receiving now in response to his appearance at Disney Pride! 

I want people to not forget this, and please please if you have people around you who make such comments about trans people or about anyone else, call them out and say something about it! Be a good ally, don't be silent, you're helping the whole community if you decide to speak up. 

7 hours ago, Prisca said:

As I am straight I prefer to leave space for the LGBTQIA+ community here. However, since you seem to have connections and be able to offer a general "massage" to Mika, it is tempting to get involved.

Or what about Mika offering a massage to us? He does get very far with his hands after all 😌😌

1 minute ago, TinyLove_CJ said:

 

Thanks 😊 

 

The response I've had so far has been great, my stupid paranoid brain kept thinking that no ones going to like this, but so far so good! 😁

Noo it's great really! Can i do Stuck In The Middle? That one really resonates with me, the idea of people pulling on you from all sides to try and change and mold you into something "acceptable" while you search for someone to simply accept you and love you as you are

5 hours ago, TinyLove_CJ said:

I know not everyone checks the forum so I would really appreciate MFCers spreading the word about this and letting your friends know and encourage fans to take part 😊

Will share on Insta and Twitter tomorrow! It's a nice idea 😊. Good thing i went to check if anything was going on this year 

OM2206 tattoo is also still a possibility 🌚. It's fun, it's mysterious and nobody including the person wearing the tattoo knows what it means sjsjsjs.

59 minutes ago, galapagonch said:

Yeah, i imagine he wouldn't be too enthused, lol.

It might be alright though since his name isn't anywhere on it. I don't think I'll EVER stop caring about Mika, but I figured it's better not to permanently mark yourself with someone else (especially someone you don't know yourself). (No disrespect to those who did that though! I'd just be too nervous myself )

 

At least doing it this way it's always going to be fun beautiful art, connected to Mika or not 

Same same. I would love to get one of his lyrics tattooed but I just can't decide which. There are many songs and lines that speak to me, but I feel like if I ever do it I need to be older bc I'm currently still changing so much and I don't want a tattoo that reminds me of bad times in my life or anything. Maybe when I'm 25 or so I'll be "grown" enough and I can settle for something permanent. 

Anyway, I'm glad 16 year olds aren't allowed to get tattoos because otherwise I'd be walking around with a tattoo saying "if you feel like a freak, turn yourself into a beautiful freak" rn 😅😅

1 hour ago, galapagonch said:

Realised I completely forgot to share when I got my MIKA tattoo sleeve started! I plan on colouring it in, but here is what it looks like as of now :-)

 

This is so cool i really hope you get to show it to Mika one day!

Just so he can then gasp in shock (i can already picture his reaction 🤭) and feel guilty that you "did this to yourself" bc of him 😂. His reactions when people ask him to write something down for a tattoo are always so funny, i don't get the impression that he is a fan of tattoos himself 😂

1 hour ago, galapagonch said:

Realised I completely forgot to share when I got my MIKA tattoo sleeve started! I plan on colouring it in, but here is what it looks like as of now :-)

 

MFC Pride colouring competition but instead of the tour bus we colour in your arm

Not, Mika, but related! 😁

I really liked this quote by Rufus Wainwright which I found on Instagram 😊

Just now, Jaela said:

He is such an attention [censored] too like he so desperately wants to involve himself in everything. And on Twitter he likes every single tweet that mentions his name! Like that is a grown man with a family to care for... embarassing

Anyway this is not the Perez hate thread so i'll sush now sjsjsj

13 hours ago, TinyLove_CJ said:

Finally someone said it! Say it louder Jae! 📣

 

I was actually annoyed when I saw him commenting on the Stonewall concert video the other day 😡

He is such an attention [censored] too like he so desperately wants to involve himself in everything. And on Twitter he likes every single tweet that mentions his name! Like that is a grown man with a family to care for... embarassing

On 6/1/2021 at 10:53 PM, Kumazzz said:

@PerezHilton chatting on YouTube,

he mentions Mika.

 

 

 

Perez Hilton And Family

I'm so honored to be a part of this! The Stonewall Inn has been such an important part of my life! From living across the street at 160 Waverly Place while I was a college student at NYU until today!

 

So excited for Mika too

 

He's STILL popular

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Here is the screenshot.

 

The Stonewall Inn Safe Spaces Concert, Presented By Logo

 

 

 

I'm a little bit late but i feel like this might be a good moment to address how extremely problematic Perez Hilton is. He made a career out of trying to out lgbt celebrities and somehow thought that was his "right" as a fellow gay man. He would often literally harass them and even said people who stayed in the closet contributed to the stigmatisation of gay people, which is ridiculous. Anyone has the right to come out at their own pace and when they are ready for it, just like Mika did. Perez has even been asked why he didn't out Mika and he said he tried to, but "didn't have to repeat his sexuality everytime". I think the only reason he didn't do it was because he and Mika became friends. And, to be honest, i will always wonder if the reason Mika became friends with him was so that he would not be outed by that trashbag. Cause be honest, how often have we seen them together after 2012? Perez still regularly mentions Mika, but i dont see him reacting to it much and i get the impression that their "friendship" cooled down quite a bit and is largely one sided at this point. Anyway, i could bring up all the other stuff he has done, making mysoginistic comments about women, harassing a teenage girl on Tiktok, etc. but I feel like the witch hunt on gay celebrities alone should be enough reason to keep him away from Pride events like this Stonewall thing. If there is anyone who has created an UNSAFE space for gay people, rather than a safe space, it's him. 

I also really wish we as Mika fans would stop putting him on a pedestal just because he is the only American media person who still seems to care about Mika. He doesn't deserve our attention, he doesn't deserve anyone's attention. He is past his due date, has been for years and should have been left in 2012 or so in my opinion. 

1 hour ago, dcdeb said:

 

 

You're both a little more optimistic than I am, but you never know!

 

 

 

 

Well, the thread was supposed to be about the MFC's celebration of Pride Month, but OK, I guess we'll allow Mika to intrude a bit.

 

So I also wanted to post a few things here that I've been watching/reading to start off this Pride Month - thought others might be interested.

 

It's a Sin on HBO: I just finished watching this series featuring Olly Alexander from the band Years and Years, and it just about broke my heart. Having lived through the "'80s AIDS epidemic" and losing several dear friends to this at-the-time always fatal disease, it dredged up a lot of memories. It's so worth the time to watch it, though.

 

Final season of POSE on Netflix: This coming Sunday is the final episode, in fact, and I know I'm going to be devastated. I have known or still know many of these characters in real life -- that is to say, people like the fictional characters portrayed here. People who have lost their jobs, their homes, their families, just because of who they love, how they behave, how they dress... The 1980s and '90s probably seem like ancient history to many of you younger fans, but when I think back on how it WAS vs how it IS now, times really have changed. Even though yes, progress is slow, and things could always be better.

 

PFLAG: https://pflag.org/WhatMakesPride

 

PFLAG (originally Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) is one of the first LGBTQ+ organizations that I became aware of, way back in the 1980s. Over the years, I've had a number of friends who worked for PFLAG and the work they have done and continue to do is amazing. This year, they've produced a special series called What Makes Pride, "dedicated to uplifting the work and lives--and sharing the stories--of LGBTQ+ BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and People of Color) people, communities, and grassroots organizations." There are 5 episodes, one debuting on every Tuesday during June on PFLAG's YouTube and Facebook accounts.  The episodes cover:

JUNE 1 | BIPOC Pride
JUNE 8 | Housing Justice
JUNE 15 | Incarceration 
JUNE 22 | Community 
JUNE 29 | BIPOC Families of LGBTQ+ People 

 

Finally, I just read through this: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/996319297/gender-identity-pronouns-expression-guide-lgbtq

Trying to get a better handle on all of that.

 

Thank you for the suggestions! I actually only have surface level knowledge of the aids crisis and in general of queer history and what it was like to be lgbt in the past century (which is bad i want to learn more, so I will be checking this out 😊. I wish things like this were discussed more in school also! It's an important part of history and it might also help make people understand why we still have Pride and why there is no such thing as "straight pride" etc. (because somehow people still ask that question every year 🙄) and why it's so important to have a month like this

1 hour ago, dcdeb said:

A few other things that I've been told: there's an age restriction, only children 15 and up can attend. Also there may be a discount for children, not sure yet.

So does that mean no one under 15 can go, not even when they're accompanied by an adult? That would be harsh, although I understand those opera people may not want a bunch of screaming kids who can't sit still inside their venue 😅

Hi Liam! 

Be sure to check out this thread, you may find some friends there

13 minutes ago, Susan Smith said:

Here it is: 

Thiiis 👏👏. Tbh if he was a woman and his fans were all older men we wouldn't even be having this discussion because everybody would know it's creepy and would disapprove of it

7 minutes ago, chanleon said:

Y'all I can't believe I gotta say grow up but really there's so much hate here for what was supposed to be a coherent, diplomatic discussion (and it was!)

 

If y'all got enough enthusiasm to create a fake account to talk s**t at least have a chat with me, I started this  

 

Psa no one ever said anything about old people being disgusting? fam we all got grandparents it's not like different generations are aliens 

I dont think she is on the forum as a member. Unless as a guest, but i've seen no stalkers in my recent visitors 🙈. She did claim she was defending her friends, those being older people i suppose 😅. But oh well, just a kid being bored i guess, she shut up after i started asking her more questions about who she was, if she is a fan, etc. so yeah 😂

2 minutes ago, carafon said:

 

Of course you're right.

But what I meant was that teenagers already have their parents and teachers to tell them what they should do, so they'll probably get bored if another "oldie" comes and gives them advice on SM (I once was a teenager myself........ even if it was a long time ago   )

Also people mainly have mutuals around their own age....  it's not that the mix of generations is incompatible, it's just usually a matter of interests .

So imo young adults have more chances to reach the kids attention than older ones

True!

@chanleon I TOLD YOU, i told you they were gonna use me as canon fodder 😭😭

Of all the people that commented on the thread they decided that im the antichrist 😂😂

If it was unclear to anyone i do not hate old people, i do not even hate the weird ones, i just dislike their behaviour 🤧

2 hours ago, TinyLove_CJ said:

Why thank you! I like to think that my 27 years on this planet means I've learned a thing or two about being 'down with the kids'*...... 

 

*I'll see myself out 😅

Ok boomer 

7 hours ago, carafon said:

Another thing is that the most we quote , comment and discuss  shocking posts publicly on SM  ,like saying "look at this , this is a bad person or a bad comment"  ,the most we're giving visibility to these stuff .I know it's sometimes hard to be silent when things are getting on our  nerves , but the more we give publicity , the higher the risk is that kids may see unapropriate stuff .

This is a good point, i hadn't really thought about it like that before!

7 hours ago, carafon said:

As SM is a free space that we can't pretend to control ,I also think that the young aldults here ,you can have a role by giving advises to the youngsters to protect themselves ( block, unfollow ,signalement......all these possibilities are not available  for nothing ) because kids would probably be more open to learn from you than from people of their parents age . 

And this too! I really do feel a responsibility for this now that i'm getting a little older, to guide the younger fans away from the creepy people, to teach them what is or isn't okay, etc. 

I think in general younger people keep eachother in check a little more. Like, friends of mine have been asked before to move a certain sexually tinted conversation to the dms, and i too try to *subtly* point out when i think a friend is saying a little too much (but very subtly cause i have no issue calling out strangers, but with friends it feels a little harder somehow, i dont want to hurt their feelings 😅). 

I think older people do this less, probably? They might think it's better to ignore or that it would be impolite or nosy to comment on someone's behaviour, but i think it can be a good thing too. And obviously it's a little harder for a young person to comment on the behaviour of an older person bc of the age gap and the power imbalance, so there could be a role for older people there i think 😌 

Lastly, don't worry about this! 👇. It's all about context and i'm sure everybody will understand the difference between commenting 😍😍😍😍 on a casual Mika photo, a photo of his dogs, etc. vs on a photo of him with a bare chest or whatever. (and even then, the emojis on its own aren't so much the probably, although we young people consider them "cringe", it's more about the stuff they usually write before ending it with a row of heart eye emojis 😅)

7 hours ago, carafon said:

To finish I have to admit that I felt a bit sad to know that some fans consider  heart emojis as kindda sexual assault.  

4 hours ago, chanleon said:

my vendetta has no age c:<

well at least you're not an ageist 🙏. i know what it's like, i've been ok boomered before. and im 22! age discrimination is no joke 😪

4 hours ago, chanleon said:

Secondly, absolutely! No one of the people me or Jae or Susan or all of the others had in mind joined our discussion, which was predictable. However I was happy to discuss this on a forum and not in a DM chat with one person at a time because really great points were made, so thanks again for coming down to discuss with us!

Hey I have not said a word so far, don't make me canon fodder again now sjsjs. But it has been really interesting to read all of this and i'm glad someone finally started talking about this! 

I would say it is not even so much about protecting as it is about respecting. Like, as with all internet interactions: if you wouldnt say it to someone in person, why would you say it at all? Or maybe some people would say their sexual fantasies to his face, we have after all already had a person buying him a gay kamasutra book, so oh well :'). 

I think it's important at least that it's being discussed cause certain behaviours are definitely a little too normalized. I know a 15 year old who deactivated her insta fanpage because older people kept commenting weird things under her uploads (which were just regular photos of Mika) and they wouldn't listen to her when she asked them to stop. And just the other week a distressed 14 year old who had seen things she didn't want to and shouldn't have seen came into my dms and kept asking me why these people do that and why they think that's normal? I didn't have the answers, but i think this shows that the issue is quite real. You need only browse the posts he is tagged in on both insta and twitter for a little while to stumble upon something... odd. And it's definitely some more "prominent" fans who do that too, although obviously they're keeping quiet now. Which is a little sad, cause i would love to hear their perspective and their explanation as to why they think their comments are okay!

To round it up obviously everybody is free to say whatever they want *cough* but it helps a lot when people know that the stuff they say won't generate likes, laughs and 😍😍😍 emojis, but rather some raised eyebrows and weird looks. So yeah that's why i think it's good that people who would maybe normally stay quiet are speaking out more publicly now and express that this type of thirsty behaviour is inappropriate and uncomfortable. 

I hope this made sense ha peace out have a gr8 afternoon all xx

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