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Can someone please point out where Mika is being so traumatized by Jemma that he barely spoke the rest of the night? Because all I am hearing are MANY people shouting various things, as is perfectly normal during all gigs.

 

 

 

Someone in there, who could hear what everyone said, just told me the situation was very uncomfortable. And to be honest there're nothing more I can say. Apparently I can not talk sense into the self-centered fans here.

 

What has logic to do with anything? If I don't want to hear songs in a foreign language, that's my preference. Nothing logical or illogical about it.

 

Yeah logic matters. YOUR preference is YOUR preference. Cuz someone here are saying because they dont want it, and they are UK fans, MIKA should not do it. That expectation is not reasonable.

 

I am one of the some fans. 

So you hold a grudge on us.

For people still dont understand and think MIKA is just being childish. Just put yourself into MIKA's shoes, what if it's you performing/speaking in the stage, and you prepared so much for it and hope everything will go right, then someone else yelled at you in a non-friendly way in the audience, what would you feel? I just imagine that, and feel horrifying and disgusting.

When Mika said "not everyone will understand"when talking about BBB I shouted out "That's because it's in ####ing French". I meant it in jest, not malicious. Yes I was angry. Yes I had a couple of drinks before the show. Should I have not been so emotional about a subject we had been talking about since 2012? I wasn't abusive. I heckled him a bit. I've known him a long time. He knows what I'm like.

I wasn't intolerant. I wasn't bullying him.

I've given my side of the story in my video. What has really hurt me is the FANS (some of them from this fan club) on Twitter calling me a rude cow, bitch, ****, pig etc and the "Mika can sing what he wants campaign". If he had a Japanese song would you like to here that instead of WAG in Germany for example?

Now trolls leave me alone.

First of all, calling you these is inappropriate. That I know for sure.

Second, you've known him a long time, he knows what you're like, is so self-centered, just because he knows you doesn't mean you have the right to heckle him in a show and he would/should not feel bad about what you said, which apparently is a lot fans' logic here. They are fans from beginning, they should be treated more special, well no, outside the performance you can be friends or whatever, in the show you are just a fan and an audience.

To be honest, after hearing exactly what happened from you, my sympathy for you is only for the part he said you just get more BBB and the fans calling you mean words,  the rest I really don't think he did anything wrong. And you did not feel sorry until recently, before that apparently you dont think vocally speaking negative opinion to the performer on stage is rude/mean at all. Well it is, as Prascale said, there is a difference between hearing feedback (when you ask for it) at a chosen moment and hearing a loud critical comment while you're performing in the middle of a concert.

I thought I would leave this thing behind, but the logic behind someone's statement is just killing me. Someone else's argument is that they paid so the concert should go exactly as they expected. It's ridiculous, it's like if you and some people went to a restaurant to eat together and you all share the dishes, and you and someone ordered a bunch of stuff, and most of them turn out to be really good and exactly what you want, but for one dish you didnt ordered it and dont like, someone else in the group like it a lot and ordered it and the restaurant serve it, yeah you have to pay that dishes' share too, but is there anything wrong in that situation? No! If you can understand this reason behind this situation, then you will understand why to us it's so absurd about the argument that they paid for the concert so it should go exactly as they expected. Unless you raise the money to hold a private concert, where you hired him to sing exactly what you want, and he took the offer (which honestly I dont think he would) , then you have the right to have the concert to go exactly as you want.

Also, the logic behind the UK gig should only have English songs is weak too. First of all, even some people live in the UK area like his French songs, it's maybe a small portion, but there are some, so even for the UK people's sake he would blend in one/two french songs ( comparing to 17 songs!) . Even all the UK people dont like French songs, there're foreigners in the gig too. Your logic is that because it's in UK they should only expect English songs, which is so ridiculous, it's like people who travels to London should only eat English food, and if they want to eat French food, they should fly to Paris!

Honestly, I have a feeling that some UK fans here hold a grudge on foreign fans who did not want they want, and they sound so superier because they're UK fans or long time fans. Some fans, not all of them.

Why should I be concerned or have to understand what Chinese people who aren't at the gig want or need?  I am the one that has paid good money for the ticket, if I don't like an aspect of the show I have every right to say so especially when we hardly get any gigs these days.   

Your hope may be in vain,  Perhaps Mika would understand that this kind of issue won't happen again ever when he has no fans left in the UK.

It's just my guess. I don't know what he will sing in the show. I'm not his agent and I don't have super power

I've been reading this thread and , Yang, I just think you read too much into a "situation" you weren't even witness to, and said yourself have no idea what was said. Only that mika was butthurt. Sooo?????

 

I feel, it was a funny/weird moment that happened at that show, in that room, and it probably should have stayed there.

 

Look at you all dragging me out of my lurker-state.

Oops sorry about, yeah I have no idea what actually happened, I did not even know about these until the star interview. It seems that different people just telling me different stories.

I should not put myself into this situation, thanks the to clear my mind! OMG, I was too deep in this place which I had no position! and

No, I am not travelling anywhere to see him. I doubt he will come to Toronto again especially if he needs unconditional love and approval from his audience.

I don't think he needs unconditional love and approval, I think he just does not want to be rudely treated and given vocally negative during the show, which is not a big request. He has been told many times that UK fans don't like French songs, but I think this is the first time it really upset him, because they yell it out during the show.

It's like when I was teaching a undergraduate class if the students don't like what I said they could always talked about it to me later, not saying loudly in class they didnt like the topic I teach. That is basic polite and respect to the one on stage, which is not a lot to ask.

I've heard complains after the class, but never during my lecture. And I can not imagine how sad and embarrased I would be if the students just vocally negative about my lecture in the class.

We're not talking about Queen's gigs or Mika's NYC gigs. We're talking about a gig in London.

 

Anyway I have said everything I have to say. I am just glad I am not going. Good luck to him.

Yeah if you really don't like his French songs, and can not even stand one song in his gig, it may really not be a good idea to spend all the money to go to London, cuz that will be very costly, the flight and the insanely expensive hotel. Will you still come to his North American gigs later? He mentioned there will be North American gigs too in some interview last year.

The four albums thing I said to a friend behind me not to Mika. As BBB started playing Mika was explaining that not many people understand and I said "that's because it's in French!" I was not being nasty, just vocal.

Then maybe he is not talking about you all the time? All he said is someone loudly insulting him. I don't know . Sorry for what happened in one of the later gigs, I hope he's not talking about you, glad that even you feel hurt you still want to go to his show .

I think he would not feel hurtful and angry of what you said, so maybe someone else is saying something nasty? He said someone insult him, which did not fit your case.

I tried to hear it from the video, but all I hear is someone yelling loud sound(which doesnt sound just one sentence) in the begining of BBB even before he's explaining.

That is total nonsense. These tickets cost more than my Adele tickets even though she has to fly across an ocean to get to the venue and Mika can take a 10 minute cab ride. They are more than twice the price of his earlier London gigs. If he is not making money off it he's doing something wrong. I have no desire to spend my money on making Mika wealthier while he panders to fans from France to China at my expense, instead of spending it on music that I want to hear. If Mika has an expectation that anyone in his audience should do otherwise he is out of his mind. If he has an expectation that anyone in his audience should forgo their own taste in music and sit through songs they don't like because someone in China wants to hear them he is out of his mind.

The tickets of NYC Brooklyn concerts is cheaper too, and he fly to US for it.

The part that a lot times gigs are not making money is true, Queenies mentioned about it to me that a lot rock bands do the shows for adrenaline and promotion, they even lose money for it. Mika talked about gigs are not profitable too, I remember him mentioning about it in a US interview.

I don't really know about this industry, but I do not really think he agree the streaming thing purely for the money.

How is Mika's double charging scam the problem of UK fans who bought their tickets at a premium price to see Mika perform in London?

 

I don't know if iqiyi is paying for him. But I do know this connection happens because of the universal company, which is his agency company in UK, right?

And, if I remember correctly, a lot singers/bands (Queen, for example) are not making profits from gigs, in fact sometimes they lose money, even in a sold out gig. And they need to be sponsered, that's why mika said "invite(sponser) me if you want me to play in your city/country". Like it or not, if he is not sponsered he may not able to do the gigs, and whether he get sponsered or not again depending on how many viewers he get from China in this particular case.

Jesus Christ I am so glad I am selling my tickets. I am so sick of this complete nonsense. Mika deserves whatever heckling he gets if he starts playing songs to suck up to an audience that is halfway around the world.

I'm sure about the streaming thing, all the rest is my guess ( that he may sing French songs to please Chinese fans), geez that is very harsh to hear, and insulting to both mika and Chinese fans.

Why should UK fans have to listen to songs to please Chinese viewers? The UK fans are paying for their tickets and they are the only people Mika should be concerned about during the gig. If he wants to pander to Chinese fans he can go back to China and charge them money to see him perform. I don't understand this attitude that fans should provide some sort of charity fund to Mika so he can do whatever self indulgent thing he wants or to advance his career in other markets. And on top of that UK fans should be grateful for being at the bottom of his priority list and not complain about it while they pay for albums and tickets like everyone else in the world.

Uh because iqiyi is paying for him too?

Hi! Can someone please translate these three answers? Google's translation is messed up, as usual.

EM：不知道你介不介意聊这个，还记得Patrick Wolf很久很久以前Diss过你吗？说来出道那么久，你有什么后悔的决定吗？

M：哈哈哈那事情其实挺蠢的，我从来没有回应过，他说的侮辱话笨死了也毫无根据，之后也道歉过两次了。我猜他当时应该就是一时冲动口不择言吧。

要说后悔的事情，我还真做过不少，例如允许自己因为身边工作的人而压力山大。压力是种幻觉，它只是别人想在我身上赚钱的工具而已，我现在已经对这个很敏感了，见了就跑。现在我已经不再后悔什么了，总体而言我的音乐事业很特别也很奇怪，对此我感动很高兴也很自在。人生啊，就像电影《滑动门》，Gwyneth Paltrow那部嘞……（编注：又名“双面情人”，讲述Paltrow主演的女主角因为赶上与未赶上地铁班车而过上两段截然不同的生活）总之就是，如果回到过去改变了什么后悔的事情，天晓得最后结果又会碰上什么屎呢对不对？

 

http://www.eardrummusic.com/exclusives/mika-china-tour-2016-interview/

 

 

 

EM： I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you remember that Patrick Wolf diss you long time ago? Also, have you regretted about anything about your career?

M: Haha that is just a stupid thing. He said some insulting words with no base, and he appologized twice after that. I guess he is just being implusive.

     Speaking of the things that made me regret, I actually have done a lot. For example, allowing people work around me to give me huge pressure. Pressure is kind of an illusion, it's just a tool that people want to make money from me, now I am very sensitive to this, I run the moment I see it coming. Now I no longer regret anything, overall my music career is very special and very strange, and I am very happy and very moved and feel ease. Life is, ah, like the movie "sliding", starred by Gwyneth Paltrow...... (Editor's note: also known as "Sliding Doors," about Paltrow starring as the leading actress who live to completely different life base on whether she did or didn't catch up with subway).  Anyway, if you go back to change the things that you regret, God knows what other s**t you will meet anyway, right?

I don't have a transcript of what she said and honestly I don't see how it matters. We gave Mika, his band, his family and his entire crew hoodies that we all share that say "Mad F*ckers Club" on the back and he wore it for years. It's not like Mika is upset by swearing or that he isn't aware of how opinionated (and fond of the word f*ck) some of his fans are. I am sorry he is hurt by what happened and I understand his lashing out at one of his next gigs, but he needs to let it go now and not turn this into some new victim legend at the expense of a real fan he has known for his entire pop career.

Yeah that's true, to be fair this time in the HK interview he only say this story as a contradiction to show how happy he was later to see the fan flag move. I guess he didnt think about the fact that it would be very hurtful to the fan in this opposite side of the story. Maybe someone who knew him should inform him about that.

Another concern I have is, he is going to do another UK show this year, and it will be streamed by iqiyi in China, since the audience would be bigger he may sing some French songs again. I know a lot China fans love BBB and he sure knows that. I hope this time UK fans would understand and this kind of issue will not happen again.

http://www.mikafanclub.com/topic/32216-adelphi-theatre-london-18-october-2015-reportspicsvids/?p=4027461

"FOUR F*CKING ALBUMS AND HE SINGS THIS?" Did she actually say the F word to mika, in a serious not joking way??

I didn't know how he felt about it until today. All I knew is that someone heckled him and he made a rude comment about her later. I have seen a fan repeatedly harass him on Twitter for being gay and he blocked her so I know he saw it. This fan told him he was disgusting and going to hell and I intervened because this is what I consider a hurtful insult. I didn't think Mika was still a 9 year old boy who could not handle someone telling him they don't want to hear a French song.

Yeah that's why I wanted to know what exactly did she say, why he considered it insulting... Do you have any idea?

There are UK fans, not members here, or hardcore fans, but fans that come to see him when he does do shows here, and buy the UK versions of his albums, not the various other ones that are out there with either the French or Italian songs on them. So they are not familiar with Boum Boum Boum, Elle Me Dit or the various others that seem to go down a storm in Europe where they are more freely available. 

So when he sings them, they have absolutely no clue what is going on, and can't sing along because they don't know them. So to the fans from Europe who look around and see them sitting down/not dancing and singing, it must look like they are being rude and not very fan like. This is not the case because they haven't a clue why he is singing a song they have never heard of before.

So I think it's perfectly understandable that these fans would wonder why he just isn't singing songs from the album they have on their stereos. It's not arrogance, just that they don't know the song.

And just for the record, I don't really mind these songs too much, but can't get my head around the lyrics to be able to sing them, and that's not arrogance either, as it took me 3 months to get my brain around 'Promiseland', and that is my favourite song on the album, and STILL have problems with 'Oh Girl You're The Devil'!

I'm not saying not singing with the french songs, or unfamiliar with it, is arrogance. But the idea just because it's a UK gig it should not contain French songs, is arrogant for sure.

Yes when he responds to someone saying they don't like his song by repeatedly attacking them on a personal level in public, then the fact that he was hurt is not really relevant anymore as far as I'm concerned. He is not a 9 year old child. Nothing anyone has ever said to him during a gig justifies telling thousands of people that this person needs to get laid or that they are some sort of intolerant xenophobe. It's totally out of proportion.

You didn't seem to concern about this even when he didn't attacking them in public, or did you?

But yeah the part he think this person needs to get laid is rude, I agree he should not do it.

However, he is NOT a monster, that's a very serious word, which I learn this fact exactly here on MFC.

 I think it's perfectly understandable that some of us are upset that French songs would be included in a UK setlist. The fact that he bangs on about how many people there were in the audience from different countries is irrelevant - they've all come to the UK. For a UK gig. They clearly have the money to go abroad and see him, and if they wanted Mika to sing French songs then perhaps go to a French gig.

First of all,  I understand that some fans don't like French songs, I really do. But the idea that a UK setlist should not contain ANY French songs is not perfectly understandable in any way, it's pure arrogance. And that's what I felt throughout the discussion. WOW some UK fans are so special, Mika should not do what he do throughout the whole heaven tour.

And also, people who went to a UK gig maybe also because London is relatively easier to get to, both the location and the time, or maybe they just want to visit London as well. The logic behind the people come to UK gig because they want him to sing English songs is just flawed in so many aspects. I'm not saying that's not a reason, but it's just A reason for SOMEONE, not THE reason for EVERYONE.

Interesting, based on the wording, the fact that he was hurt in his own gig did not bother some people here at all. Because he may(I don't know what he heard) overact didn't mean that he's hurt at his own gig didn't matter.

To be honest, I don't like that he said the fan need some BBB, that's quite rude and it bothers me too. I think he could handle this in a better way.

But he is not the one starting it, it's like in a fight, the people made the first attack was always the one hold the biggest responsibility, and I don't think him singing a French song is the first attack in any sense.

OK, now I really need to know, what did she say to mika exactly, the exact words? Cuz apparently he took it as insult, but a lot UK fans think it's just criticize. There's clearly a gap here. It will be really nice to know the exact wording she was using, and to see if mika is overacting or the fan is being too harsh.

Interview in Hong Kong

 

MIKA | Star Talk Hong Kong Interview | Mar 7 2016

 

So sad to hear what he said after 8:00, how can someone consider him/herself a fan if he/she was insulting the idol?? To make him upset in his own gig!! I understand if fans were not happy for his song choices, but insulted him? That went too far!

I know he got happy after that for the fan flag action. But the thought of him getting insulted in his stage, where he should get the most happiness from, really made me sad.

Hi! Can someone please translate these three answers? Google's translation is messed up, as usual.

 

EM：你给Cesvi慈善拍卖会做了张超级棒的圣诞贺卡，那么你自己收过最棒的圣诞礼物是什么？（编注：采访问题发出在圣诞前，回复在圣诞后）

M：有两样。有一次，我收到一个大盒子，上面写着“圣诞卡”，我打开来一看发现是用姜饼和糖果做的一整条村庄！那个铺满糖霜的“湖”上面还有杏仁蛋白软糖做的小人在溜冰！我到现在都还记得那闻起来有多香！

另一个，就是约50个歌迷做了个圣诞卡，为了支持我帮助叙利亚难民的圣诞任务向联合国难民事务高级专员公署捐了一大笔钱！看见大家团结起来慷慨解囊真的太感动了，现在想起来，这比会溜冰的杏仁蛋白软糖小人都要让我高兴

 

 

EM： You made a superb Christmas card for the Cesvi Charity Auction.  What is the best Christmas gift you've received? (Editor's note: This questions is asked before Christmas, the reply is given after Christmas)

M: There are two. Once, I received a large box that wrote "Christmas card" on it, I opened, and find a village made gingerbread and candy! There are even a Maripan skating on a lake covered with frosting! I still remember how amazing it smells!

  Another is a Christmas card made by about 50 fans, and together they donate a large amount of money in order to help supporting my UN Syria Refugee Mission! This generosity united by fans is really touching, and now think about it, this gift made me much happier than the Maripan skater!

Just a rough translation of the first question, I'll translate the rest later~

Cant breath..

King & Prince

 

Apparently someone on FB make this B&W, when I thought it couldn't be any better