Ellenowl

Grrrr!!

 

It's my fave all time Mika song and have been giddy at he thought of it finally coming out of the closet, so to speak and us being able to talk about it openly.

 

My bf loves I See You because it's so big and over produced but I really don't like it becasue in my head I still hear I'm Falling.

 

With this being an album of Love Songs could he not have just left it alone??!? Or had it as a B-sdie or bonus track?

 

Double Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

You don't have to listen to the new version! I might not!

That station is for older listeners though. Still better than nothing, I suppose. That's also the station where songs from the second album got any airplay, I think, and not Radio1, so no change there.

 

Out of the two stations I'd choose Radio 2 of course as well, so I think they are actually right about the target group.

I would ( as a teenager) rather listen to radio 2 any day, because they play real music. Sometimes in the car we put radio 1 on as a joke , but the ' music' is completely awful! I wish they'd stop playing that depressing Paloma Faith song in radio 2 though.

Story goes like this...

I walk into the house. My little brother ( who always tricks me into believing various lies about mika) tells me mika has been played on the radio (happens very rarely in the uk). I ask him which song, and he says MYH. Obviously I don't believe him, then he says 'ok then, celebrate', which definitely didn't convince me at all. Then he showed me Celebrate was actually single of the week on radio 2! That was a nice surprise!

Great news, even if radio 2 is for old people!

People might actually know about the song if it's played on the radio.

I could try, but I haven't studied it for about 3 years!

And now I've got to figure out how I did my gcse chemistry stuff. I have holiday work for my new school!

Wouter Hamel, Lohengrin!

 

 

This hat reminds me of mika's bowler hat and his top is like the one mika used to wear quite often!

Good taste though, he makes great music!

I've never bought myself a cd, although I barely buy anything for myself!

My younger brother bought me my most recent CD for my birthday: Innervisions by Stevie Wonder . It's completely amazing music! And because it's old, the songs really link together, because it was intended for listening to on vinyl record , not shuffle songs.

Are there any previews of the songs yet? I'm not sure what to think of the album cover. It's so different from the other two, and maybe more simplistic than I'd expected.

That was my point really. Pachabel sounds nothing like Happy Ending. In fact Happy Ending doesn't resemble any song I've ever heard. I know a bit about music as I'm a trained singer and it is very easy to get certain progressions to resemble any song you like.

But the thing about EMD. What gets me is that EMD has been out for ages. It's not a new song anymore. The writer of that other piece of garbage has waited till now to say that his song has been stolen? His claim is as rubbish as his song, which isn't like EMD anyway. No one would believe it.

Thinking about it, Happy Ending does have something pachabel's cannon-like about it. Wouldn't exactly call it plagerism though!

Really? When I hear I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight for real I sing 'Relax, take it eaaaaasy' over it But nothing more than this it's true.

 

I can't listen to more than 10 seconds of that MTV song

Funny! I kind of know 'IJDIYAT', but I never particularly hear the relationship myself. My mum really likes the first song (not writing it out again!) and says the beginning of relax was copied, but the rest sounds almost entirely different, so she doesn't mind!

This song isn't a plagerism issue, because he credited the song on his album.

Anyone notice the almost uncanny similarity between Stuck in the Middle and Movin out (Antony's song) by Billy Joel? Same key, same chord progression, similar beginning, similar meaning etc.

Sorry to come back again on this but I must...

 

 

I think it is common sense that there is an infinite number of reasonable sounding melodies (the 2 million was just a random example on a 7note bar part and you keep exponentiating for more notes... then add differntiations in rhythm.. etc). It is music and maths combined. The common sense about the finite number is about chord progressions and I often see those two mixed when arguing for and against songs having been plagiarized.

I simply find it important to state as no two cases are similar: there are clear cases of plagiarism on the one hand and claims that one knowing anything about music simply laughs at on the other. It can be decided by experts based on certain rules - there is no doubt about that. That's why several musicians go to court about it.

With EMD they couldn't really (this melody bit is too short and simple for that) but it is likely that at least one of the people involved in the writing process may have heard the MTV song so perhaps subconsciously they integrated it into their own work..etc.

 

 

 

that is exactly what should not be mixed with people stealing melodies from songs. You can play this chord progression and anyone with some musicality can sing a completely different song on top, with a different melody, not resembling the rest of the songs in the video at all. It is the way you build your chords (and the number of existing chords) that are finite and limited and not the melody. So anyone claiming that Richard Marx stole from Pachabel or Mika stole from Richard Marx is just totally clueless. Also, if plagiarism was based on chords, complete genres, like boogie woogie would consist of a few songs only with the rest of them just labelled as 'stolen'

How can there be a finite number of chord progressions and and an infinite number of melodies?

And having listened to the MTV song (it's horrible!), I do not think any plagerism has taken place. The melody to each song contains, for the most part, a couple of different notes. They are very both simplistic , which could be why they sound similar. Besides, I imagine mika has better taste than to like (or even have listened to) that song!

so then may i'm not crazy... females cats are multi color & male cats are only 2 colors...

Yes. Tortoiseshell cats are always ( or nearly always) female, although two-coloured cats can be either. Tortoiseshell cats , from experience, are full of attitude and black and white cats are completely stupid, although both are very loving and loveable.

At home we have two cats called Theo and Lucy; 4 (ATM) chickens called Martha, Athena, Catherine and Georgie. And I have two cacti called Matilda and Bernard( if they count!).

no, we don't agree yet:roftl:

The number of ways you can combine notes into a melody is infinite and it does not have much to do with the octave. To begin with, there is no limit to the length of a melody. Then the scope of melody is not limited to only one octave, not even in singing. (An octave only contains 8 notes in a diatonic scale btw).

There is no rule how a melody should progress - unlike for chords-, so if we only take possibilities fkr a really simple melody within only 1 octave and in a diatonic scale so that the ear could find it easy to process and take the length of one bar only, let's say 7 notes only, (eg. Can't you write a happy song) the number of variations in theory is 8x8x8x8x8x8x8 - over 2 million, as you can combine the notes in any way, including singing them all with the same note. And then I haven't even calculated the different types of rhythm you can use...

So, in case of the melody for a song across a number of bars can easily be proven as an intentional or non-intentional take from another song, especially if that melody is complex. I'm case of EMD though, it is such a simple children's rhyme type of song with a really limited number of notes that I don't think it is even worth analysing in terms of resemblance.

PS I went back to the suject as you asked eventually

Your song with millions of notes and spanning millions of octaves might sound a little odd and confusing! Theoretical variations and real-life variations are different anyway. Western music all sounds very similar when you compare it to Eastern music ( if that's the phrase) eg Chinese music. Therefore, one assumes that even in supposedly original compositions, something has subconsciously been taken from previous ones. Therefore, it is probable that most compositions around are likely to be plagerised to some extent.

I must admit that your knowledge of musical theory is definitely greater than mine ( although I managed to pass grade 5 music theory without really being able to read music!), but it is common sense that there is a finite number of reasonable sounding melodies. And plagerism virtually never involves copying the entire melody, making it more easy and probable than your 'over two million theory suggests.

I definitely do agree with you on EMD though!

There is a difference between chords and melody :rolls_eyes: The number of melody combinations is infinite. These two songs have the same melody, although a really short one that gets repeated, so in theory it could be accidental.

The number is never completely infinite, as there is a finite number of musical notes (the word octave gives this away), although admittedly rather large. I'm talking about coherent melodies here. Yes, there are many ways of playing a random jumble of notes, but much fewer ways that actually 'make sense' to the human brain. You get the point anyway, and I think we actually agree on this matter ( for once!).

And if chord progressions were the same as melodies, many of mika's songs would have exactly the same tune. Thankfully, this is not the case.

Anyway, back to the subject of potential plagerism...

There is only a finite number of chord progressions and reasonable lyrics in the world. Naturally, songs may sound similar, which doesn't necessarily mean that songs are plagerised.

I must admit that I haven't heard the song above because my headphones are missing, and also that IMO EMD is not the greatest mika song ever. Doriand also wrote it with him. I'm not exactly sure what these two facts illustrate, but it reassures me that mika is not a plagerist.

My brothers always say mika is a plagerist (for some reason, they really don't like him), without evidence, so I don't want them to be given any!

Hope the real cover doesn't look like this!

I've just been watching a guy playing his saxophone and singing Lady Madonna from his mobility scooter! He's awesome!

Interesting interview. Nice pictures!

So 'china boy' evolved into 'celebrate'?! And part of what he played was a new version, and part was the old ( more electronic one). I was reading an article yesterday, which basically summed the song up: happy but nothing special. It will neither appeal to his fans ( too mainstream- not very mika) and because mika sadly is not famous in the uk anymore, it will not be a hit. It is nothing different to most things around ATM- mediocre song with a rapper in the middle to take away anything good about it. IMO, it would be more accurate to put a c in front of rap!

What are the login and password for mika tube?

Edit: sorry! I see them now!

Better than the cd version! This is great!

Just downloaded overrated (old version) onto my iPod. Altough it was less legal to download than mika's songs on iTunes, it really is an amazing song. Maybe my favourite at the moment. It's so beautiful and powerful!

Great interview! He made me laugh a lot.

Mika's thought about the question:

'It was going to be less layered and more serious... But ...I'm

Mika and I don't really do serious or simple!Why did I even say it would be more serious and less layered?!'

How did I know it was going to be this way?

The album artwork sounds really cool , but he only has a month and a half until its release- eek!

3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944...

Sorry... I was supposed to say something random!

... And I hope I remembered it right!

BTW Watson the fangurl squid sounds awesome!

No, it's bad that this has happened. Mika is so nice with his fans , and if they start to become like this, he might not be so good to his fans in m&g s. He's really awesome, but if fans go mad then he might become scared of us!

I'm going to Hungary in 20 days.

enjoy it! I've never been to Hungary but I want to go there .(everywhere in the world really!)

I am going to Sweden soon, I just don't exactly know when. Does anyone know what the weather's like there ATM?

And the random thing ( a real quote from a real life situation):

MUM: Stop throwing helmets!

And it's finally sunny outside now, so that's where I'm heading!