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#641 suzie

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

Totally agree, I've been listening to the demo version a lot lately, and it's just SO perfect. Really hope they will keep it simple.

There is this sadness and sort of desperation in the vocals of Overrated. Like he knows the relationship is built on a house of cards and it's only a matter of time before it comes crashing down but he's hoping it will last a bit longer. :

It is only a demo version we heard so he must have re-recorded the vocals completely to make it sound better but I think they should keep that song simple and acoustic with no unnecessary instruments - perhaps an additional cello at most – as the dynamics of the song should ideally come from Mika’s voice and the piano.

In my view, it is partly because of the context (to keep this simple, fragile and honest) but also the way he is singing it: it is classical singing, like in OMS or Lady Jane. That’s why, in my opinion, I’m Falling was spoilt when it was turned into such a predictable cathartic ballad in which you could basically visualize the Titanic appear in the second part of the song and Mika drown in the sea at the end of it... (:naughty: ) . I don’t think that arrangement suited Mika’s voice: the uniqueness of it was lost and so was the honesty in the song. I must add though, that at first I welcomed the magic touch of Walter Afanassieff but mainly because I thought that at least it would enable Mika to be launched to a wider audience should it feature on the soundtrack of a blockbuster. It never happened, unfortunately. Then later on, when I heard Leona Lewis’s ”I See You”, I even considered that they might have actually pitched that one to be on the Avatar soundtrack but did not receive t eventually. (This latter is only a theory though, with no facts to support it.)

Who else would write a song called 'china boy'?!

Many others, actually. :teehee: There are several songs with that title already… but you are right: ‘boys’ tend to feature in his lyrics a lot for some strange reason. :dunno: :mf_rosetinted:

Edited by suzie, 12 April 2012 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

In my view, it is partly because of the context (to keep this simple, fragile and honest) but also the way he is singing it: it is classical singing, like in OMS or Lady Jane. That’s why, in my opinion, I’m Falling was spoilt when it was turned into such a predictable cathartic ballad in which you could basically visualize the Titanic appear in the second part of the song and Mika drown in the sea at the end of it... (:naughty: ) .


Totally agree about it being like Lady Jane and OMS. I didn't think I'm Falling was that special or in that vein though. You can certainly make an argument against ANY ballad being turned into the Titanic or Avatar soundtrack but I didn't mind how it was reworked and I prefer I See You to the demo.

I actually haven't listened to any of the demos in many years (that's why I could barely remember the lyrics to Only Lonely One at the gig :aah:) and I don't think I'm going to listen to Overrated any time soon. Probably best to listen to the album version with fresh ears. :naughty:

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:14 AM

I actually haven't listened to any of the demos in many years (that's why I could barely remember the lyrics to Only Lonely One at the gig :aah:) and I don't think I'm going to listen to Overrated any time soon. Probably best to listen to the album version with fresh ears. :naughty:[/QUOTE]


Yes, I agree, don't spoil it. I already know the song well, because it is so beautiful and complete sounding that it's not like a demo at all. I imagine it will change at least slightly.

Only lonely one is a funny little song- I like it though :)
If we're all together screaming, why can't we make a sound?:shocked:

#644 suzie

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:46 AM

Totally agree about it being like Lady Jane and OMS. I didn't think I'm Falling was that special or in that vein though.

I don't mean in terms of the singing itself but the honesty of the lyrics. To me this song about secretly watching stalking and dreaming about someone doesn't require such over-the-top arrangements.

I actually haven't listened to any of the demos in many years (that's why I could barely remember the lyrics to Only Lonely One at the gig :aah:) and I don't think I'm going to listen to Overrated any time soon. Probably best to listen to the album version with fresh ears. :naughty:

I don't listen to the demos, either (perhaps once a year if it comes up somehow) but I have their melody and arrangements in my head so that's why I recognised it right away from the first chords but could only remember the lyrics of the chorus...:teehee:
I did listen to Overrated last night though to see what could come out if it eventually. It is my own little guessing game. :teehee:
I must admit that there are demos I never listen(ed) to, as I don't like them for particular reasons. Loverboy was one of these. However, I absolutely loved the arrangement of it on TBWKTM. It changed the song completely and I :wub2: it now.

Only lonely one is a funny little song- I like it though :)

I love that one. It sounds like a kind of 30s cabaret / 'couplet' / 'kuplet' song to me. That one is finished, basically. I'd like him to sing it now and then at smaller gigs.:blush-anim-cl:

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 05:57 AM

I love that one. It sounds like a kind of 30s cabaret / 'couplet' / 'kuplet' song to me. That one is finished, basically. I'd like him to sing it now and then at smaller gigs.:blush-anim-cl:


I think it is similar to and would serve the same purpose as Holy Johnny at gigs. The original version of Holy Johnny with just Mika and Martin interacting.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:28 AM

I was searching for the original verison of Overrated, and I was astonished to found only 3 covers of this beautiful song :

http://www.youtube.c...bed/fGCdHWsrZyA
http://www.youtube.c...bed/cc3mASaX62s
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:32 AM

I was searching for the original verison of Overrated, and I was astonished to founded only 3 covers of this beautiful song :

youtube.com/embed/fGCdHWsrZyA
youtube.com/embed/cc3mASaX62s


If you want to embed YouTube videos you can just use the code/string in red above and wrap it in the {youtube} {/youtube} tags (replace with square brackets).

The Soundcloud embedding doesn't work here but we can look into adding a bbcode for it.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:42 AM

Thanks for the information :)

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 06:54 AM

Sfmg, I think there are so few covers because people don't think they can better the original. Or maybe just cos the song is very underrated:(

And tbf, those covers certainly add nothing to the original, like with most things;(

Edited by Ellenowl, 13 April 2012 - 06:58 AM.

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#650 QueenElisaII

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

I love Mika's demos, I really think they're amazing. I was very happy to know that Overrated will be on the 3rd album, and there's another one that I love as much as Overrated (won't mention it here as we're not supposed to be allowed to talk about demos on the MFC :().
I hope Overrated will be very similar as it's on the demo, with the sad lyrics, Mika's amazing voice in falsetto and not much more than the piano. But, as someone said before, if they turn it into a huge ballad, I'd love it anyway. What I definetely don't want is that he makes it electronic because it worked out very well with Rain, but it would ruin Overrated, IMO.

Edited by QueenElisaII, 13 April 2012 - 11:54 AM.

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#651 Ellenowl

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:56 AM

Overrated electronic ?! Never even crossed my mind ! :)
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:04 PM

Overrated electronic ?! Never even crossed my mind ! :)


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Posted 14 April 2012 - 04:28 AM

I love Mika's demos, I really think they're amazing. I was very happy to know that Overrated will be on the 3rd album, and there's another one that I love as much as Overrated (won't mention it here as we're not supposed to be allowed to talk about demos on the MFC :().
I hope Overrated will be very similar as it's on the demo, with the sad lyrics, Mika's amazing voice in falsetto and not much more than the piano. But, as someone said before, if they turn it into a huge ballad, I'd love it anyway. What I definetely don't want is that he makes it electronic because it worked out very well with Rain, but it would ruin Overrated, IMO.

I agree. Less is more.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:44 AM

I thought it would be a good idea to post all the things that we know so far about the album and gather them in one thread. I saw this in "Not everything needs a thread" and I thought "But new album does need one", don't you think?



I'm quite busy right now, but I'll post some pieces of the puzzle later. Feel free to post anything you know about it so far.

We definitely know some titles:
Make You Happy
Underwater http://www.mikafancl...ead.php?t=26250
Kill Me On The Dancefloor
Overrated
China Boy
Love You When I'm Drunk
The Origin Of Love
82, rue des Martyrs (Karen)http://www.mikafancl...ead.php?t=26008
Step With Me

Oh i miss Blame it on the weather??:mikalove:
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:56 AM

Have you seen that vid? Do you think the title (or the legend of the creation of the world) might have inspired Mika for the title of his new album?

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Mika's Good Gone Girl , Underwater , Good Guys and Good Wife  lover :wub2:My love poems kindle :blush-anim-cl: http://www.amazon.co..._ext_eos_detail
and it's also a book https://www.createspace.com/5160207Read my love poems/songs here https://vivaldi.net/...ity/profil/2593 My Underwater inspired vid and covers too :naughty: I love love my Mika family ♥This is love not war and there's enough Mika to share :mikalove: Remember to vote for him :wub2: http://www.mikafancl...=24995&page=153 If you want to watch The Voice and XF :wink2: mikawebsite.com

Subtitled videos thread is here http://www.mikafancl...32#entry3997523


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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:00 AM

And this is another unofficial lsit of songs for TOOL on Mika Fan Club Peru facebook page
http://www.facebook....&type=3
If that list is right, Blame it on the weather would be in TOOL
and there's another unofficial list of the titles a very devoted fan made based on Mika's twits and other info he found online
(as found on mikawebsite.com)


Kill Me On The Dancefloor
Mika / Martin Johnson / Shea Taylor


Underwater
Mika / Nick Littlemore / Paul Steel

The Origin Of Love
Mika / Nick Littlemore / Paul Steel

Make You Happy
Mika / Benjamin Garrett

Lola
Mika / Benjamin Garrett

Shadows
Mika / Benjamin Garrett

China Boy
Mika / Benjamin Garrett

Overrated
Mika

Step With Me
Mika / Hillary Lindsey

She Tells Me
Mika / Jodi Marr

Live Your Life
Mika / Steve Robson / Wayne Anthony Hector

Cry A Little
Mika / Steve Robson / Wayne Anthony Hector

Et 2 bonus que nous connaissons déjà :

Elle Me Dit
Mika / Doriand

Karen (82, rue des Martyrs)
Mika / Doriand


list made by a fan called Stephane on
mikawebsite.com

Edited by crazyaboutmika, 16 April 2012 - 09:08 AM.

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Mika's Good Gone Girl , Underwater , Good Guys and Good Wife  lover :wub2:My love poems kindle :blush-anim-cl: http://www.amazon.co..._ext_eos_detail
and it's also a book https://www.createspace.com/5160207Read my love poems/songs here https://vivaldi.net/...ity/profil/2593 My Underwater inspired vid and covers too :naughty: I love love my Mika family ♥This is love not war and there's enough Mika to share :mikalove: Remember to vote for him :wub2: http://www.mikafancl...=24995&page=153 If you want to watch The Voice and XF :wink2: mikawebsite.com

Subtitled videos thread is here http://www.mikafancl...32#entry3997523


#657 suzie

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:11 AM

And this is another unofficial lsit of songs for TOOL on Mika Fan Club Peru facebook page
.....If that list is right, Blame it on the weather would be in TOOL
and there's another unofficial list of the titles a very devoted fan made....


There is no news here but even less up-to date info than already posted on MFC. :dunno:
Everyone is guessing at this stage and most people are guessing what others have posted on this thread earlier. :wink2:

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#658 SjoerdvWijk

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:36 AM

There is no news here but even less up-to date info than already posted on MFC. :dunno:
Everyone is guessing at this stage and most people are guessing what others have posted on this thread earlier. :wink2:


That's right... We will have to wait... :mikasweat:

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#659 QueenElisaII

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:31 PM

I really want Karen to be in the CD, not only as a Bonus in France, Switzerland and Canada :mikacool:
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

Oh i miss Blame it on the weather??:mikalove:


That one is not confirmed

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