Marilyn Mastin Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Mika has been getting some terrible things said about him, on Facebook, and in other quarters, and until now, everything has been scattered around and that isn't an effrective way to deal with the comments, and launch complaints. So I have proposed, and several members have agreed, on the 'Facebook' thread, that we have a thread on the forum, especially for all the bad stuff. So now, when we see any nasty articles, or anything worse, instead of opening random threads, we come straight here and post them. Then everything is in one place. The bad comments, the links we need to complain. Anything which will help us. This would not be my thread, although of course, I'll keep an eye on it, but it would be for everyone of us, who want to support Mika, and above all, keep him safe. I hope you will all get in on this, because things for Mika are not getting better. He has many people who love him, but also a lot who hate him, because he is so different and controversial. We all know how good he is, but small minded people are feeling uncomfortable and what people don't understand, they attempt to destroy. We mustn't let that happen!! The world NEEDS Mika, it's just that, some of them, don't know it! Love today from Marilyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipop Leftie Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'd love to join! I don't really do facebook or a lot of those things, but I can help in any way I can. I can protect Mika on Neopets! (I know I'm too old but too bad) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah_Lollipop Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'll join too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollipop_monkey Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 This is a good idea, but let's be careful no to go overboard. Technically, people are allowed to hate Mika. Freedom of speech, and all that. I agree, though, that there are some things that should be controlled, especially on sites where there are Terms of Use policies in effect. Those Facebook groups that describe, in detail, the physical torture they'd like to put Mika through should be shut down. That's just sick. Apart from that, if a reviewer or journalist gives Mika a sh*tty review on a website that allows comments, I see no harm in the people who were at the gig posting a polite but firm reply stating that their experience was in fact the complete opposite. Just remember to keep it civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 Great, we'll all have to advise eachother, but this can be our campaign thread for everything bad to be posted here, so that we can get it sorted out. It makes sense for all the bad stuff to be in one place, instead of all over the forum. At the moment there is the Facebook stuff going on. Is there anything we can do to help with that? In future, stuff like that can come straight on here. I do agree with the previous poster. We don't want to be morons like those people who hate Mika, and of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If they don't like his music, that's okay. If they say things about Mika which are personal insults, or threaten him in any way, that is unacceptable. But I would never condone us ranting and raving. Any complaint should be articulate. As long as we remember we are representing Mika, we won't go far worng. He has helped us to become better people. Love again from Marilyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatagordinha Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Apart from that, if a reviewer or journalist gives Mika a sh*tty review on a website that allows comments, I see no harm in the people who were at the gig posting a polite but firm reply stating that their experience was in fact the complete opposite. Just remember to keep it civil. I will join, but I totally agree with you on the above. We must always be civil and acknowledge that some people just really don't like his music, and are allowed to voice their opinion. Personal attacks on Mika do vary in seriousness, from snide comments (Manchester Evening News, anyone???) to what verges on incitement to violence on Facebook and our responses need to fit the crimes, so to speak! So yes it's a good idea but it has to be measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Not only are people allowed to hate Mika's music they are allowed to hate Mika and hurl personal insults at him. The best way to respond to these attacks is exactly as Mika does - ignore it. I don't know what's going on with Facebook at the moment but I did lodge a complaint once when there was a group made for the purpose of saying that he is a pedophile. This kind of thing is not acceptable on Facebook whether it's about Mika or not. Complaining to Facebook management is all that can be done in a situation like that. It is one thing to counter a bad review with your own positive review, but you can't rationalize with psychos who talk about hurting him or that he's a pedophile. Trying to publicly defend Mika under those circumstances is just going to incite more hatred and abuse. Once the haters catch wind that Mika has troops out patrolling on his behalf they will escalate things just to wind everyone up. Mika is a big boy and he has weathered the negativity with class and his head held high. In fact he has even welcomed the bad reactions to him and his music because he prefers it to being perceived as mediocre. I really don't think he needs watch dogs and he certainly doesn't need attack dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 Not only are people allowed to hate Mika's music they are allowed to hate Mika and hurl personal insults at him. The best way to respond to these attacks is exactly as Mika does - ignore it. I don't know what's going on with Facebook at the moment but I did lodge a complaint once when there was a group made for the purpose of saying that he is a pedophile. This kind of thing is not acceptable on Facebook whether it's about Mika or not. Complaining to Facebook management is all that can be done in a situation like that. It is one thing to counter a bad review with your own positive review, but you can't rationalize with psychos who talk about hurting him or that he's a pedophile. Trying to publicly defend Mika under those circumstances is just going to incite more hatred and abuse. Once the haters catch wind that Mika has troops out patrolling on his behalf they will escalate things just to wind everyone up. Mika is a big boy and he has weathered the negativity with class and his head held high. In fact he has even welcomed the bad reactions to him and his music because he prefers it to being perceived as mediocre. I really don't think he needs watch dogs and he certainly doesn't need attack dogs. Yes I see your point of view, and am not talking about, going in with all guns blazing. Neither am I talking about the people who just hate his music. It's the others I'm worried about! There are a lot of people blowing hot air, who would run a mile if the actually saw Mika in front of them. But there are a few others who might stick a knife in him, and it only takes one person. Mika likes to walk around, talk to his fans, and he is very tactile. He likes to be close to people. We can't do anything to protect him physically, but we can monitor what's going on in terms of hate groups or whatever. If we think things are getting really bad, we could advise the company to provide a bodyguard for Mika. We could just ignore everything that's going on and maybe that is what Mika would do, but I don't know if it's a good idea to just ignore everything, and let these people get away with it. All I know is, I am officially freaking out at the knowledge that the hatred for Mika is so bad that someone COULD try and kill him, even though I know others who have been influencial and good people, have been killed in their prime. Again, from Marilyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CordeliaMoon Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Christine, sometimes Mika might need watch dogs like you so eloquently put it. It's one thing for people to hate his music but like many others say it's quite another to threaten his life. Like I stated in my "Grrr@facebook" thread, a lot of people talk crap for fun, but only one need to really mean it. What harm is there in the fact that when there are fans with Mika after a concert that they are aware that there could be weird people lurking about and keep an eye out for weird things? It doesn't mean they have to stand patrolling the place or have cops present or anything it's just common sense and vigilance. Wouldn't you be pleased if you could see something weird and warn Mika about it so he can leave the place immediately BEFORE something happens? And if we can help with the hate groups and such it's also a good thing. Mika isn't about spreading evil and negative feelings. He loves his freedom and his fans, and I just do NOT want to see this taken away from him! And Marilyn, I fully agree! Like I said before look at J.F.K, Martin Luther King, John Lennon.... they only needed ONE person that had a twisted idea in his head to have desastrous concequences. And I don't think we are doing this to be sung our praises by Mika, he's a young and innocent guy and if we can keep an eye open why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 All I know is, I am officially freaking out at the knowledge that the hatred for Mika is so bad that someone COULD try and kill him, even though I know others who have been influencial and good people, have been killed in their prime. I'd lose my mind if something happened to Mika too, but I'm not sure there's a lot we can do about it. He's already aware that people have threatened his life just for not making a public statement that he's gay. I'm guessing he doesn't take this kind of thing too literally and I think it's more likely that if there are some crazies out there who would really confront him in person that he'd probably get more direct threats than a bunch of easily identifiable teens talking nonsense on Facebook. Honestly I think if it ever comes to the point where Mika requires bodyguards it will be to protect him from overzealous and delusional fans, not people who spew hatred from the safety of their keyboard. If there is a group of haters out there who would actually attack him I'm not sure how chasing them off of a Facebook is going to protect Mika. We're not the CIA. If they're not talking about it in on a Facebook group that we can all see then how would anyone know his life is being seriously threatened? I think Mika is handling this the best way he can by staying as incontroversial as possible. He gets very little media attention that's not somehow related to his music and it's no lucky accident. I thought his "privacy" talk in the beginning was just a way to deflect the gay question but he's very serious about keeping all aspects of his private persona safe from public scrutiny. I've been saying for years that people like Britney Spears, Paris Hilton et al get the sort of paparazzi intrusion they ask for. If you don't want people getting up in your business then stop drinking and driving, shaving your head in public, making porn tapes and walking around in mini-skirts with no underwear on. As he mentioned in the DVD, he knows now that he can't come spilling out a club at 4 am with his mates and he now keeps his private life behind closed doors. Unless he starts dating another celebrity I think that Mika is going to provide very little fuel to the people who'd like to take him down and eventually the haters will get bored of hating him and move on to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaurora Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 All I know is, I am officially freaking out at the knowledge that the hatred for Mika is so bad that someone COULD try and kill him, even though I know others who have been influencial and good people, have been killed in their prime. When you talk about the people who hate Mika so much they will kill him, are you finding these haters on Facebook? Yesterday, I spent a little while going through the hate groups and reading what they say about how they would kill him, etc. Although this is not a nice thing for anyone to say, I honestly doubt one of those fruit loops would be obsessed enough to stalk him and catch him and kill him in the ways that they say (one person yesterday said they wanted to peel back the skin from his back and insert maggots!). Although, I can see this would be disturbing, these people just don't have better things to do with their time. If someone were to purposefully harm Mika, they would have to be psychotic and obsessed. I haven't noticed anyone like that on the Facebook groups.... And who's to say a Mika hater would be the one to kill him? An obsessed fan who can't have him might do the same thing..... I think it's a lovely idea to get rid of anything negative you find, but it's all about freedom of speech, isn't it. We just have to make up for it by loving him more than they hate him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CordeliaMoon Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Like I stated before freedom of speech is NOT freedom if it includes talking about killing one in joke or truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stine88 Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 i'll join in this, no question about it! i dont get it how cruel people can be.. why not just let people be themself=/.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaurora Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Cordelia, I can see what you're saying. If someone was to go around saying "I hate Mika" well, thats just their fault for being an idiot...but theres nothing I can do about it. It's just that when someone says "I hate him and want to kill him" it is not often said with absolute sincerity. How often do you guys say "I'm going to kill so and so! Arrghh!" when something bad happens? Just yesterday I was having an awful day at work and a lady asked me if I wanted anything down at the shops and I replied "Yeah, how about a shotgun" and another lady beside me piped up "with bullets". I would never kill anyone, but it's just a figure of speech. I understand that due to Mika being a public figure his risk is greater than a normal person like us. BUT I can name so many more people that are shoved in our faces everyday like Britney and Paris...and they are out and about with no bodyguards most of the time. I am sure if you search Facebook you will find "I want to kill Britney" comments....Mika is doing the right thing by not shoving himself down peoples throats and eventually these idiots will realise he is boring because he is not retaliating and they will move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 And Marilyn, I fully agree! Like I said before look at J.F.K, Martin Luther King, John Lennon.... they only needed ONE person that had a twisted idea in his head to have desastrous concequences. And I don't think we are doing this to be sung our praises by Mika, he's a young and innocent guy and if we can keep an eye open why not? John Lennon et al were attacked by delusional people who had very specific ideas about what they were trying to accomplish because they had lost touch with reality. John Lennon didn't fall victim to a bunch of people talking crap on the internet. Unfortunately if Mika isn't able to keep a low profile he may reach the point where he receives disturbing contact from fans or other people who are fixated on him for some reason. But Mika will likely be the first person to know when it happens because I don't think these nutcases are going to broadcast their intent on Facebook or MFC without trying to contact him directly. Of course I would intervene if I saw something disturbing going on at a concert and it's the reason that security insists that everyone stay calm and orderly when Mika comes out to speak to them. But I can already see where this watchdog thing is going because many fans think that no one should be permitted to say anything bad about Mika at all. No matter how distasteful it is to hear someone say he's got a face you'd like to slap, we don't have some sort of mandate to censor it outside of MFC. And to say a statement like that made on the internet is tantamount to threatening him with bodily harm is a gross exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaurora Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 No matter how distasteful it is to hear someone say he's got a face you'd like to slap I'd slap it.....but in the throes of passion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I'd slap it.....but in the throes of passion Yeah that's a whole other story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjbsrbab@hbibby.orangehom Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Hiya people are allowed to hate Mika but they should keep their views on him to themselves. Don't let this get u down Mika ur much better than these people. Please can I join? Keep being yourself Mika we totally love u 4 it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lollipop_monkey Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Like I alluded to with my other post, many sites have Terms of Use policies. I haven't read Facebook's in detail, but I'm sure there's something against posting detailed accounts of how you'd like to torture someone. It isn't about protecting Mika from people who might physically harm him. That's a whole other ball game, one that we can't even play in. (And a topic that makes me sick to even think about). It's about limiting the chance for people casually browsing the Internet from stumbling across that twisted foolishness in an innocent Facebook search. "Mika sucks, his music sounds like an alley cat with a hernia." Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. "Mika's a pedophile, he's a rapist, I'm going to tie him to a table, cut open his skin and insert maggots, and listen to him scream." Not so fine. Not only is that disgusting, but saying he's commited crimes that he's not been convicted of is defamation. In fact, I think if I were a lawyer, I'd start a whole practice about slapping lawsuits on people who are libelous online just because there's so much of it, and it would be kind of entertaining. A good way to these things into perspective is this: how would you feel if the same were said about George W. Bush? Or Queen Elizabeth II? Or Justin Timberlake? If it's sick and twisted defamation regardless of the subject, we know we're not looking at the specific situation through our we-love-Mika blinders. Although Christine's right, going toe-to-toe with the haters (The ones on YouTube, for example, who post things like "OMG he'z a drty homo fag!) is pointless. It won't accomplish anything. I like the idea of posting positive reviews about Mika's gigs and his album, though. Why not? As long as we're not attackish, I think spreading the Mika Love is a good thing, as long as we're civil fans and not raving fanatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika3Maniac Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 There's a rule on Facebook that it is against the Facebook policies to set up a group which targets an individual. Therefore, these hate groups should be reported because they break the rules. I know that the best thing to do is to ignore the haters, but the groups need to be reported for the sake of general public ~Amanda~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 There's a rule on Facebook that it is against the Facebook policies to set up a group which targets an individual. Therefore, these hate groups should be reported because they break the rules. I know that the best thing to do is to ignore the haters, but the groups need to be reported for the sake of general public ~Amanda~ I agree, and I don't think anyone needs to go around with a virtual banner, getting rid of all the people who hate his music. We can keep more of a low profile. It's really all about vigilance. If we see anything on-line anywhere which attacks him personally, or tries to instigate personal hatred towards him, we may be able to get it stopped, without making too much fuss and getting ourselves noticed, so-to-speak. But also, anyone who goes to actually meet Mika, could become more vigilant. We must remember to look around, in case anyone suspicious is there. They would be easy to spot, because they wouldn't be looking exstatic like us. Since I've never been to a Mika gig, I don't know what the security is like, but i imagine, some places are better than others. My son has told me that those facebook people are probably into the sub-culture that - he thinks - is called Grunge. They are like really really heavy-metal fans who write and sing songs with lyrics about torture and rape. They hate pop music with a vengence, but obviously, can't keep their disgusting opinions to themselves. LOve today, from Marilyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil`ali Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Mika has been getting some terrible things said about him, on Facebook, and in other quarters, and until now, everything has been scattered around and that isn't an effrective way to deal with the comments, and launch complaints. So I have proposed, and several members have agreed, on the 'Facebook' thread, that we have a thread on the forum, especially for all the bad stuff. So now, when we see any nasty articles, or anything worse, instead of opening random threads, we come straight here and post them. Then everything is in one place. The bad comments, the links we need to complain. Anything which will help us.This would not be my thread, although of course, I'll keep an eye on it, but it would be for everyone of us, who want to support Mika, and above all, keep him safe. I hope you will all get in on this, because things for Mika are not getting better. He has many people who love him, but also a lot who hate him, because he is so different and controversial. We all know how good he is, but small minded people are feeling uncomfortable and what people don't understand, they attempt to destroy. We mustn't let that happen!! The world NEEDS Mika, it's just that, some of them, don't know it! Love today from Marilyn Such my friends said what Mika is gay:sneaky2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikasbestfriend Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 i dont do facebook but i do i thing called flowgo thats kinda childish and has loads of cartoons and things but i did ask once how many people like mika, most people had never even heard of him! any way a few people said they like him but would sort out people there that said anything bad:thumb_yello: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipop Leftie Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Like said many times before in this thread there's a difference between not liking his music and viciously threatening him, and freedom of speech does not cover slander, libel, or seditious speech. Those are just a slippery situation all around. I don't like any of that kind of stuff about anyone(which is why I stick to neopets ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Such my friends said what Mika is gay:sneaky2: And so, what if he is! That's not a crime. It beats me how some people on TV, like Anthony Cotton, for example, can be openly gay and no one gives a monkeys. Mika is keeping his sexuality to himself at the moment (that might change when he meets someone) and because HE isn't pushing, whatever he is, into peoples' faces he gets slated for it. For the record. Billy Brown is a great song, which to me, could just as well apply to a man who went off with another woman. It's not really about the fact that Billy is gay, it's more, that he just happens to be gay, or probably bi, and he fell for a man. The song could just as easily apply to a man who fell for another woman. To me, the biggest message in the song is... Don't think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. You could loose what you already have. Love today, from Marilyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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