Mika's Personal Life

[babspanky]

can i agree with you?

 

Hehe nice to know that one person does, anyway,

[babspanky]

Thank you

 

Bab

 

My pleasure, but I haven't picked up your habits yet......

[DaniCaz]

Another clue, for me, is in Love Today:

 

"Hey GIRL why can't you carry on?

Is it cos you're just like your mother?

A little tight, like to tease for fun?

Well you ain't gonna tease no other gonna mae you a LOVER!"

 

And to anyone who has heard the original outtake version will know that this next verse did not exist, and that Mika said he created these characters, well this is what I say: he could have sung about men if he wanted to. Not about men loving other men, but men finding love in general, like he's singing about women finding love in general in their own way

 

"Carolina sits on '95

Give her a dollar and she'll make you smile

Hook her, book her, nook her, walk away"

 

"Girl dresses like a kid for fun

Licks her lips like they're something other

Tries to tell you life has just begun

Now you know she's getting something other than the love from her mother!"

 

A lot of the songs are about women (well actually, only three, openly)

 

Lollipop "if she loves you let her go..."

love today (all quotes above)

big girl you are beautiful (self explanatory but we dont know if he means they're just attractive or if he's sexually attracted to them. well actually we know nothing lol)

 

but ofcourse. Mika hasnt openly stated which way he swings. Openly singing about women? Stuck in the Middle a secretive song which a few people have interpreted to be about his sexuality?

 

ah, who knows?

[greta]

Hehe nice to know that one person does, anyway,

I'm unique:wub2:

[Aaurora]

I would take that with a pinch of salt. Remember Darren Hayes? His love songs were always addressed to women but what do you know he's gay...

 

I was a HUGE fan of Savage Garden back in their day. Darren has had a very similar life when compared to Mika. He used to get picked on at school also and he NEVER said boo about his sexuality until he came out that he was married to his boyfriend. In his songs, he never really singled out genders, though, that I can remember??

[Guest]

Hehe nice to know that one person does, anyway,

 

I do to!

I just enjoy the music and (some of the) pics, but I'm not spending my time wondering and analysing things ... Don't have the time for it and I really don't care ... (yeah, really )

[Christine]

You don't owe me, but it does sound good!

I would have seriously considered NY, but because of the 3 feb UK gigs, they were all just too close together £ wise!

 

I prefer London anyway. Especially when it comes to standing in queues in February.

 

The same for Mika's songs, I don't want to over analyse them for 'clues' to his sexuality or any other aspect of his life, it would spoil my enjoyment of his music.

 

I am such a simpleton at heart.

 

I'm usually big on lyrics and that's why I like artists like Barenaked Ladies, Lily Allen and Arctic Monkeys. But with Mika I really don't even hear many of them. It's like his voice is just another musical instrument and the songs are all about the melodies. The words don't matter.

[DaniCaz]

 

I'm usually big on lyrics and that's why I like artists like Barenaked Ladies, Lily Allen and Arctic Monkeys. But with Mika I really don't even hear many of them. It's like his voice is just another musical instrument and the songs are all about the melodies. The words don't matter.

 

awww that was beautiful

 

it's like listening to a song over and over...to a point where it gets stuck in your head...and you start singing the words..and then you're like...."whoa that's deep..." and then you love it more and more

[Scut Monkey]

I've yet to hear a Mika lyric and think "oh, wow, that's deep" that's something I reserve for the likes of Bob Dylan (on the contrary some of Mika's lyrics make me cringe like "I tried to live alone, but lonely is so lonely alone or repetitive fillers like in HDYL or LT). But I have sat down and reread his lyrics from time to time and thought "that's less superficial than I thought it was before". At the moment (i.e. the start of his career) Mika is inconsistent (or just wide-ranging?) in his lyrical depth, there are things which are quite deep (like SITM) then somethings which seem much more superficial.

 

I don't believe that his lyrics are strictly autobiographical, but some songs more than others reflect his personality (and not only his sexuality). Like the songs discussed in this thread: Billy Brown possibly shows that he's intrigued by the concept of sexual ambiguity, Big Girl possibly shows that he's intrigued by the concept of the underdog and challenging image perceptions, Love Today may mean that he classifies different forms of love equally, Lollipop may show that he's a bit of a protective brother. Some of those are stretches more than others, but it'd be naive to think that his lyrics are completely detached from his life when he claims to write songs to help him digest life, but conversely it's assuming way too much to say that the songs are autobiographical (e.g. Billy Brown or Holy Johnny) and ignores the concept of fiction anyway.

[lollipop_monkey]

I'm so beyond pleased to see that this thread has gotten so far with very little tension. I honestly thought I was going to get chased out with pitchforks and torches for starting it.

 

It seems, though, that with a direct invitation to speak freely, people are coming out of the woodwork with mature and well formed opinions. It's really refreshing. Go, MFC!

 

Can he not drive? This is the second time I've read this in this thread. But in an interview he said what he loves to do most is get in his car and drive for hours..............

 

About 5:19 here, he says he'd like to learn how to drive and get a car:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snZGE7DFqi4&feature=related

 

I was a HUGE fan of Savage Garden back in their day. Darren has had a very similar life when compared to Mika. He used to get picked on at school also and he NEVER said boo about his sexuality until he came out that he was married to his boyfriend. In his songs, he never really singled out genders, though, that I can remember??

 

I still adore Darren Hayes, and his stuff with Savage Garden was some of the best music to come out of the nineties. Actually, thinking about it, you're right that genders weren't really mentioned in their songs - even "Universe", one of the most passionate songs ever, doesn't make reference to he/she. Hrm...

[lollipop_monkey]

I don't believe that his lyrics are strictly autobiographical, but some songs more than others reflect his personality (and not only his sexuality).

 

I think the Mika himself put it best when he said "My songs aren't necessarily about me, but they are through my lens."

 

The fact that he writes his own music does give us a little window into his "interpretation".

[CordeliaMoon]

I think the Mika himself put it best when he said "My songs aren't necessarily about me, but they are through my lens."

 

The fact that he writes his own music does give us a little window into his "interpretation".

 

Exactly! Billy Brown could refer to a friend of his, someone he knows.

 

I see his songs as little stories, and not about him as such.

 

Also, there are SO MANY interpretations possible for his songs that he's the only one who really know what they mean!

[RAK1]

I know I wouldn't drive in London

Maybe it's his dyslexia stopping him *shrugs*

 

I don't think the dyslexia would be a problem for driving, one of my friends has it, and she's been driving for a while. And I wouldn't blame him for not wanting to drive around London, I have to for a living, but I don't do it if I can get away with it.

[DaniCaz]

I've yet to hear a Mika lyric and think "oh, wow, that's deep" that's something I reserve for the likes of Bob Dylan (on the contrary some of Mika's lyrics make me cringe like "I tried to live alone, but lonely is so lonely alone or repetitive fillers like in HDYL or LT). But I have sat down and reread his lyrics from time to time and thought "that's less superficial than I thought it was before". At the moment (i.e. the start of his career) Mika is inconsistent (or just wide-ranging?) in his lyrical depth, there are things which are quite deep (like SITM) then somethings which seem much more superficial.

 

I don't believe that his lyrics are strictly autobiographical, but some songs more than others reflect his personality (and not only his sexuality). Like the songs discussed in this thread: Billy Brown possibly shows that he's intrigued by the concept of sexual ambiguity, Big Girl possibly shows that he's intrigued by the concept of the underdog and challenging image perceptions, Love Today may mean that he classifies different forms of love equally, Lollipop may show that he's a bit of a protective brother. Some of those are stretches more than others, but it'd be naive to think that his lyrics are completely detached from his life when he claims to write songs to help him digest life, but conversely it's assuming way too much to say that the songs are autobiographical (e.g. Billy Brown or Holy Johnny) and ignores the concept of fiction anyway.

 

love this

[Scut Monkey]

Also, there are SO MANY interpretations possible for his songs that he's the only one who really know what they mean!

That's precisely why I think it's silly that we can't discuss Stuck in the Middle. We're merely providing our own interpretations which may really say more about us than about Mika. Just because he doesn't want to tell us what his meaning for the lyrics are it doesn't mean that we can't discuss what our meanings are. And even if our interpretation relates to things being revealed about Mika (e.g. bisexuality), it's fine if we remember that it's all hypothetical and he's going to neither confirm nor deny anything that we say about him.

[lilmot]

I personally think this type of thread is okay and for the most part respectful enough not to be a threat to anyone. And I will have to add that my three favorite posts all came from lollipop_monkey....thank you for those. It does always depress me a bit that when the topic comes up on Mika's sexuality, most people here have only three possibilities....gay, straight, or bi. These three categories seem so limiting and senseless to me, but maybe that's how most of you think about sexuality...I don't know, I can't imagine.....

 

Pansexuality and Omnisexuality are so different, in my opinion, from Bisexuality. And then there is one of my favorites... PoMoSexuality (Post Modern sexuality), "persons who do not identify with any essentially-defined sexual label, and is used in reference to oneself as a protest against such labels." A personal label for those of us who don't like labels Then there is the gender (society) vs the sex (biology) aspect of the whole sexuality piece. If I were to have a discussion of Mika's sexuality and which label to put on his forehead or which box I would stick him in, then I would want to have around 75-100 possible labels to choose from, not the three ones that seem to bore me to death. But since I don't like labels, I doubt I would be interested in that discussion anyway. I would rather have the world always open to endless possibilities, and the contents of all boxes dumped on the floor and mixed around a bit just for the fun of it. But, other than that, I really don't see a problem with the whole "being open to discussion" to those who make a "conscious" decision to do so. Thank you for asking.

[CordeliaMoon]

That's precisely why I think it's silly that we can't discuss Stuck in the Middle. We're merely providing our own interpretations which may really say more about us than about Mika. Just because he doesn't want to tell us what his meaning for the lyrics are it doesn't mean that we can't discuss what our meanings are. And even if our interpretation relates to things being revealed about Mika (e.g. bisexuality), it's fine if we remember that it's all hypothetical and he's going to neither confirm nor deny anything that we say about him.

 

True! Our own interpretations will all be different and that's just fine, that's the meaning of his music I think, that we all have our own opinion of it!

[CordeliaMoon]

Crazy suggestion here, since we're all so keen on discussing Mika's sexuality, we could just as well discuss our own....

 

[Scut Monkey]

It does always depress me a bit that when the topic comes up on Mika's sexuality, most people here have only three possibilities....gay, straight, or bi. These three categories seem so limiting and senseless to me, but maybe that's how most of you think about sexuality...I don't know, I can't imagine.....

 

Pansexuality and Omnisexuality are so different, in my opinion, from Bisexuality. And then there is one of my favorites... PoMoSexuality (Post Modern sexuality), "persons who do not identify with any essentially-defined sexual label, and is used in reference to oneself as a protest against such labels." A personal label for those of us who don't like labels Then there is the gender (society) vs the sex (biology) aspect of the whole sexuality piece. If I were to have a discussion of Mika's sexuality and which label to put on his forehead or which box I would stick him in, then I would want to have around 75-100 possible labels to choose from, not the three ones that seem to bore me to death. But since I don't like labels, I doubt I would be interested in that discussion anyway. I would rather have the world always open to endless possibilities, and the contents of all boxes dumped on the floor and mixed around a bit just for the fun of it.

I was thinking the same thing before but I didn't want to write a long, berating post about it. There's more to sexuality than just straight or gay or bi, especially when you introduce the concept of the "gender" that one identifies with in addition to "sex" (which itself can be ambiguous in some cases). That makes multiple continuums. And it's not something that stays static throughout the lifetime anyway. Ideally there would be no labels and love would simply be 'love'. But our society is faaar from reaching that point, so the best that one can do is label correctly and try to consider the labels equal in value. One can try to fight labelling (e.g. Mika) but there are always people who box them whether they like it or not.

[lollipop_monkey]

If I were to have a discussion of Mika's sexuality and which label to put on his forehead or which box I would stick him in, then I would want to have around 75-100 possible labels to choose from, not the three ones that seem to bore me to death.

 

My hypothesis has always been that for Mika, "Are you gay" isn't a question he can answer with a yes or no response. My (completely unsubstantiated) guess is that his sexual identity is more complex that simply gay or straight.

 

I have a friend who is openly gay, yet who finds the female form sexually attractive and has had his share of female encounters. If he were a popstar and were to answer a question about his orientation, it certainly wouldn't be a straightforward "yes or no" response. I think people are moving away from the black-or-white-and-nothing-in-between perception of sexuality.

[CordeliaMoon]

Lilmot I agree....! There are MORE options than just Gay, Straight or Bi!

 

A whole lot more!

[Scut Monkey]

Crazy suggestion here, since we're all so keen on discussing Mika's sexuality, we could just as well discuss our own....

 

The Gay Thread (i.e. often full of lots of off-topic chat but it's supposed to be a place for gay, bi, straight, transgendered, queer, undecided, ambiguous, all types of people to discuss matters relating to sexuality in a respectful manner).

[Suzy]

I'm so beyond pleased to see that this thread has gotten so far with very little tension. I honestly thought I was going to get chased out with pitchforks and torches for starting it.

 

It seems, though, that with a direct invitation to speak freely, people are coming out of the woodwork with mature and well formed opinions. It's really refreshing. Go, MFC!

 

 

Thank you for bringing this out lollipop_monkey!

 

And thank you Scut Monkey for your posts today on this topic.

 

I learned a lot from our MONKEYS today. I love them.

[CordeliaMoon]

The Gay Thread (i.e. often full of lots of off-topic chat but it's supposed to be a place for gay, bi, straight, transgendered, queer, undecided, ambiguous, all types of people to discuss matters relating to sexuality in a respectful manner).

 

Aha! Thanks for the link up!

[Scut Monkey]

Thank you for bringing this out lollipop_monkey!

 

And thank you Scut Monkey for your posts today on this topic.

 

I learned a lot from our MONKEYS today. I love them.

This monkey also loves you.

 

 

Does that make it a new form of sexuality: women who like sexual ambiguity who for some reason call them selves monkeys who like women? I guess I won't go there.