bitter.icarus Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 well I don't they were the one's who pushed Michael to do 50 gigs when he wasn't even fit & well enough to do 10 they pushed him & pushed him & they were the one's encouraging various dr's to drug him up so that he could perform so I hate them for what they did to Michael Well, to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well, to each their own. True True I understand what Chantelle is saying and I hate that Sony used him and pushed him so hard, But Michael worked so hard for the concerts, we should at least appreciate what he left behind. Hey that morph thing is pretty cool. Hey! I just got a facebook a few weeks ago. If I can't add you soon, just search Hamaila. I'll probably be the only one- lol. I can't get on right now or I'd totally add you. No I don't have a region 2 dvd player unfortunately. At least I dont think it is. I'll look it over. I'm just going to wait a while. I heard on Wiki if you order it before the 21st you get a special 13min clip or something. Does anyone know the story behind Evan Chandlers suicide? I'm kinda curious now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 (edited) True TrueI understand what Chantelle is saying and I hate that Sony used him and pushed him so hard, But Michael worked so hard for the concerts, we should at least appreciate what he left behind. Hey that morph thing is pretty cool. Hey! I just got a facebook a few weeks ago. If I can't add you soon, just search Hamaila. I'll probably be the only one- lol. I can't get on right now or I'd totally add you. No I don't have a region 2 dvd player unfortunately. At least I dont think it is. I'll look it over. I'm just going to wait a while. I heard on Wiki if you order it before the 21st you get a special 13min clip or something. Does anyone know the story behind Evan Chandlers suicide? I'm kinda curious now yes I do appreciate what he left behind but the film has too much of a "bitter taste" for me maybe one day in the future I may rent it but I shall never buy it myself got you on fb now glad to have you on my friendslist:thumb_yello: ohh well if it is able to play region 2 or you can find a way of unlocking it (search wiki for info how to do that) then let me know o.k evan Chandlers suicide wow there's a complex subject indeed he apparently committed suicide by shooting himself he was found dead with a gun in his hand but some on the Mjjc think it may well actually be murder & possibly in some way linked in with Michael's murder strangely enough! :blink: pop over to the Mjjc & into the investigative unit & you'll see what's been said so far (or if you'd prefer not to but wanna know all about it all pm me & I shall do a copy & paste of all relevant details for you ) It seems from what I read whilst over in the investigative unit early hours of this morning Michael's death isn't manslaughter it's considered to possibly be 1st degree murder!!! no real shock to me I guess but still heartbreaking & hard to take in & accept! believe me what is reported on the news & in the press & magazines isn't covering flip all regards the complexities of the whole case & whats' really/has really gone on! believe me it'd melt your brain! Edited December 7, 2009 by DarkLight typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Hey guys I thought I'd share this with you what I found on another MJ forum Yesterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael. He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would not provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say." However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known." He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years. Here's the most important things he told me: - Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure. -Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael rehearsed at home" or "Michael is rehearsing with his vocal coach." At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always made sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then they would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael. Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to understand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it. Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!" -This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone knew it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" messing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush. The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never rehearsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not even ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept. He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were also very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orignally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons. Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth criminal, Thriller and Earth song as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never rehearsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal. -For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs. However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up. Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did not look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows. The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend rehearsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans. This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to accomplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exactly what to do" but everything else around was not ready. He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviously not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target. According to him, if the concerts were not going to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills. Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request. A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena. This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melgo Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 wow, thanks for posting! It's very sad to think that Michael's last days were spent like this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 wow, thanks for posting! It's very sad to think that Michael's last days were spent like this though. I know tell me about it it's even sadder that he was murdered! he should still be here with us now *sighs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Aww that just broke my heart. Poor Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Aww that just broke my heart. Poor Michael. I know me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaeryana Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 hmm never heard of that one before so i've no idea if it's any good what country is it you live in I forget? If you like (if you're able to order online that is) I can try & find somewhere that has moonwalk cheaply I know of a fair few places:biggrin2: my country's malaysia.seriously you can? it really depends on the price though,i'm totally broke by now to be honest.actually the book's kinda goodin my point of view. I know tell me about it it's even sadder that he was murdered! he should still be here with us now *sighs* YES! i mean they shudnt have pressured him to that level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elise_xx Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 wow, thanks for posting, darklight. Very interesting.. I just saw what mika said about MJ in that poplab interview.. very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 my country's malaysia.seriously you can? it really depends on the price though,i'm totally broke by now to be honest.actually the book's kinda goodin my point of view. YES! i mean they shudnt have pressured him to that level! yeah i'll have a look for a website that has them just give me a bit of time i'm pretty good at hunting things down i mean i found a place that has those elusive Mika hearts bracelets lol give me a few days (a week max) and I should've found a site o.k wow, thanks for posting, darklight.Very interesting.. I just saw what mika said about MJ in that poplab interview.. very nice ohh not seen that yet i lost my headphones but now luckily for me i found them so I can go & listen to it soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) I haven't seen it yet!!! I need to. Did anyone watch The Jacksons last night??? I just made this for fun and I absolutely love it Edited December 15, 2009 by Aayame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melgo Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I haven't seen it yet!!! I need to. Did anyone watch The Jacksons last night??? I just made this for fun and I absolutely love it That's really good, I love that picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 That's really good, I love that picture! Thanks! I love that pic too <3 Mike is so adorable in it. That entire photoshoot he looks otherworldly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa_mika Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 He's so effin alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 He's so effin alive... Thank you! Were'd everyone gooo???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I found out that there is an place in Austin that sells MJ cupcakes- I want to get some then I'll take pics for everyone- I don't know why they are Mike cupcakes though. Yana- Can you send me the pics and text you want me to use for that Scream siggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I found out that there is an place in Austin that sells MJ cupcakes- I want to get some then I'll take pics for everyone- I don't know why they are Mike cupcakes though. Yana- Can you send me the pics and text you want me to use for that Scream siggie oh MJ cupckaes sounds fascinating hmmmmm He's so effin alive... Huh I & millions of ithers wish:aah: not been here for a while how is everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elise_xx Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I got my this is it ticket a couple of days ago! It is beautifull I'll take a picture soon. It had a really nice memorial book with it too. And I got the this is it-cd and the dancing the dream book for xmas! The dancing the dream book is amazing.. very inspiring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLight Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I got my this is it ticket a couple of days ago! It is beautifull I'll take a picture soon. It had a really nice memorial book with it too. And I got the this is it-cd and the dancing the dream book for xmas! The dancing the dream book is amazing.. very inspiring! yes indeed the dancing the dream book is so beautiful:wub2: I love it & the pictures are quite amazing too:mf_lustslow: what's your fave poem/reflection from it so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I got my this is it ticket a couple of days ago! It is beautifull I'll take a picture soon. It had a really nice memorial book with it too. And I got the this is it-cd and the dancing the dream book for xmas! The dancing the dream book is amazing.. very inspiring! Lucky you! That's so cool! I still haven't gotten the This Is It CD.... I'm waiting for a job first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I just came back from the Mississippi Gospel Choir show, and they did an awesome tribute to Michael, singing Heal The World! I wish I had my camera with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I just came back from the Mississippi Gospel Choir show, and they did an awesome tribute to Michael, singing Heal The World! I wish I had my camera with me! That's awesome >.< Heal the World is such an amazing song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elise_xx Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 yes indeed the dancing the dream book is so beautiful:wub2: I love it & the pictures are quite amazing too:mf_lustslow: what's your fave poem/reflection from it so far? hmm its hard to choose! I really liked the last tear.. and Ecstasy. And the one about the fish.. the fish that was thirsty or something? Well, they are all beautifull really.. I took a picture of all my michael jackson stuff the other day haha, but since then my collection has expanded again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aayame Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 So I was watching Dirty Dancing Havana Nights tonight and totally developed a crush on Diego Luna- he's adorable in that movie. Its kinda creepy 'cause he looks just like someone I know- but cuter (hold on this totally relates to Michael) So I did my Diego Luna research and it turns out that he's the Mike impersonator in that movie Mister Lonely that we found a poster for way back around page 100. You guys remember that? The name didn't sound familiar so I don't remember if it was on the poster or not. BUt I lookled it up and I found a few youtube video's on it Now I really want to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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