Hippieibbie Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Feels like i'm the only one there dont like UW:aah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerMoment1608 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I thought about this too with TBWKTM when he went to great lengths to record in Capitol Studios and get the Andre Crouch choir, etc. I don't know about everyone else but I listen to these songs on mp3 (and the CD players are not much different, it's all inexpensive digital because I don't have a monster stereo system). All the subtleties are lost and in fact I find the EMD mp3 from iTunes to be of extremely poor quality and it's the only copy I have access to (besides ripping the audio from YouTube which would be even worse). I do wonder if producers are taking this reality into account when making music these days. Maybe it's not really about hearing the differences but about knowing about them. Real instruments are giving the song more "heart" and "soul". Also, in this way the whole song is a piece of creation from different people who are really "behind" the song. And in the end maybe it does make an "hearable" difference because Mika has a deeper connection to his songs and therefore sings with more expression. It's like a cake: you could go to the bakery and buy one or you could eat a self-baken one. And the self-made one will always be tastier because he is done "with love". Same with hand-made presents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Feels like i'm the only one there dont like UW:aah: The way the results should be read is that over 50% of respondents would choose Underwater as one of their favourites of the 5 new tracks (it could be either their first or second favourite). The rest of the people either like it but there are at least 2 other new songs they like more, or dislike it like you say. There is no survey which song is disliked most and I don't think there should be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippieibbie Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 The way the results should be read is that over 50% of respondents would choose Underwater as one of their favourites of the 5 new tracks (it could be either their first or second favourite). The rest of the people either like it but there are at least 2 other new songs they like more, or dislike it like you say. There is no survey which song is disliked most and I don't think there should be one. Math skills huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Maybe it's not really about hearing the differences but about knowing about them. Real instruments are giving the song more "heart" and "soul". Also, in this way the whole song is a piece of creation from different people who are really "behind" the song. And in the end maybe it does make an "hearable" difference because Mika has a deeper connection to his songs and therefore sings with more expression. It's like a cake: you could go to the bakery and buy one or you could eat a self-baken one. And the self-made one will always be tastier because he is done "with love". Same with hand-made presents. I wouldn't prefer my cake just because it was made by me. I always go for the taste. Similarly, I am not interested in Mika"s peace of mind about going all lengths to perfect a song if the end result leaves me dizzy, like I have just come out of a tumble dry. Concerning the production of WAG I was seriously disappointed in the end result, especially since I was expecting to hear the André Crouch choir in it - meaning a song with a choir, not random people shouting. It was probably a textbook example of killing a simple, yet fine song (even though I have a slight problem with the lyrics of the chorus being slightly inconsistent with the overall message). Actually, yesterday while I was browsing my mp3s I saw a title 'We Are Golden - good arrangements' ( obviously my comment ) , so I listened to it and concluded that it actually was a great song. It was some acoustic arrangement with 'Walking in Memphis' on the piano. :rolls_eyes: and it sounded great. I also remember him singing a really heartfelt intro to it at some gigs and also once at a radio show as well. A completely different song it could have been. *le sigh* Edited July 9, 2012 by suzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 Math skills huh? Glad you appreciated the humour in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippieibbie Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Glad you appreciated the humour in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camille* Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I also remember him singing a really heartfelt intro to it at some gigs and also once at a radio show as well. A completely different song it could have been. *le sigh* For me this intro and the bridge are the best parts in WAG It's true that it could have been different.. I like WAG so I'm not complaining, but I think he could have added that beautiful intro to the recorded version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Maybe it's not really about hearing the differences but about knowing about them. Real instruments are giving the song more "heart" and "soul". Also, in this way the whole song is a piece of creation from different people who are really "behind" the song. And in the end maybe it does make an "hearable" difference because Mika has a deeper connection to his songs and therefore sings with more expression. It's like a cake: you could go to the bakery and buy one or you could eat a self-baken one. And the self-made one will always be tastier because he is done "with love". Same with hand-made presents. The problem with the mp3s is that they are highly processed and the nuances of sound are stripped off. The quality of the ingredients are lost when the food is highly processed if you know what I mean. Once you boil the hell out of a piece of broccoli it doesn't matter whether it started off frozen in your freezer for a year or picked from the ground 5 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerMoment1608 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) The problem with the mp3s is that they are highly processed and the nuances of sound are stripped off. The quality of the ingredients are lost when the food is highly processed if you know what I mean. Once you boil the hell out of a piece of broccoli it doesn't matter whether it started off frozen in your freezer for a year or picked from the ground 5 minutes ago. I know what you mean and I agree with you that you can't hear a difference in the "end-mp3". But I like knowing that Mikas Songs are done by real people - even if I myself could never tell the difference it creates a better feeling towards the songs. And maybe it's different for musicians while creating a song. It seems so important for Mika. And I have an interview of my favorite band from the studio in mind, where they firstly had enough money to use real instruments and a real orchestra, too. It was so important for them and the said that it isn't the same. Similarly, I am not interested in Mika"s peace of mind about going all lengths to perfect a song if the end result leaves me dizzy, like I have just come out of a tumble dry. Concerning the production of WAG I was seriously disappointed in the end result But that's a different pair of shoes, I think. It's about liking the end result or not. You can do things wrong or right and that has nothing to do if you only use pre-recorded instruments or real ones. And, just for the record, personally I like the studio version of WAG very much It's in my top 3 of Mika-Songs. But I know that I'm very solitary with this opinion (Just wanted to say it, it is not related to the actual discussion) Edited July 9, 2012 by DerMoment1608 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sienna Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Here you go. You must right-click on the links to save the file, in order to download it. The Origin of Love Lola Underwater Thank you SOOOO much!:wub2: I'm downloading them now, it might take me a while with this crappy connection, but it doesn't matter, I'm on vacation! Edited July 9, 2012 by sienna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 9, 2012 Author Share Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) @Sienna my bet is that your favourites will be Lola and TOOL:teehee: But that's a different pair of shoes, I think. It's about liking the end result or not. You can do things wrong or right and that has nothing to do if you only use pre-recorded instruments or real ones. No, we are talking about the same thing as you say that you believe that when a musician makes music with real instruments but processes it to sound like electronic is different because the musician himself feels different about the song, whilst I am saying that I do not feel the difference and don't care about how the musician feels since I need to feel it. So, same thing, different views. I only care about the end result whilst you prefer the musician feels ok about it. Another example: didn't he say somewhere that the bass line in Celebrate was recorded with French horns :confused:I can't even imagine it let alone hear it on the track so as far as I am concerned I would have preferred a treat I appreciate (it could be that it was some bad translation though, i don't remember where I read it) Edited July 9, 2012 by suzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sienna Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 @Sienna my bet is that your favourites will be Lola and TOOL:teehee: Oh you do? Now I'm really excited! I haven't been able to listen to either of them yet! My downloading has come to 78% now, that's how slow it is. I read the whole thread about TOOL and I feel like a child waiting for Santa to arrive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Can't download it. Are you getting an error message or what happens? Have you right-clicked it and tried to save the file on your computer? And maybe it's different for musicians while creating a song. It seems so important for Mika. And I have an interview of my favorite band from the studio in mind, where they firstly had enough money to use real instruments and a real orchestra, too. It was so important for them and the said that it isn't the same. I guess I just don't understand the point. If using instruments is so critical to your music making process then why would you be aiming for an electronic sound in the first place? If you don't like electronic music for what it is (electronic and not organic) then why do you want to replicate the sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemontine Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 You can't make me pick a favorite!!! All I can say with certinty is it's NOT make you happy. All the rest I love!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatagordinha Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I can't stop listening to TOOL I think this is Mika's best song since Grace Kelly. It has the potential to be a real pop classic, yes even here in the cynical old UK. I wish he'd release it here first rather than Celebrate. I'm prepared to be disappointed again though, as it fails to get airplay and thus success over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 TOOL was an easy choice. I love Uw and MYH both the same really, but chose Uw, only because it's more natural and beautiful, and the introduction, and accompniment of the song sounds like water running down a stream. It's truly lovely. But I also love Lola, it's a gorgeous piece of work. In fact, the only one of the new songs I didn't love on first listening, is Celebrate. Even though I enjoy it better now, I can't understand why it's the first single! TOOL would have been a much better choice, in fact, any of the others would have been better, but deff TOOL would have been my choice if I'd been a big-wig at Universal ( or whatever the record company is called) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sienna Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I chose Celebrate and TOOL. Celebrate because I like the simpleness about it (I have no idea if that is a real English word:blush-anim-cl: or if it is appropriate in this context, in Swedish it would be enkelhet, the way the song is easy to listen to and to take under your wings:naughty:). And... I think it's good for him to write a "mainstream" song once in a while, good for his carrier. TOOL, wow, I really like it. It sounds like a genuine Mika-song. But I also cringe from some of the words. Medicate and Nicorette just doesn't belong in a love song, it's poetically incorrect! It should be words like "the world got its true colours when I met you" and so on.... Maybe he wanted to write about drugs and alcohol like the big boys do but he had a strong urge to be politically correct and added Nicorette just to bee safe? Melody is great though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatagordinha Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Maybe he wanted to write about drugs and alcohol like the big boys do but he had a strong urge to be politically correct and added Nicorette just to bee safe? Melody is great though! That just made me laugh so much, I don't know why!! I agree with you though. Nicorette...urgh. I don't like product placement or brand names in songs. I always had a problem with Diet Coke in Big Girl too. He should have said "sugar free cola soft drink" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I agree with you though. Nicorette...urgh. I don't like product placement or brand names in songs. I always had a problem with Diet Coke in Big Girl too. He should have said "sugar free cola soft drink" For me Coke is such a common word that it's effectively generic. I don't think I've ever spoken the word cola in my life. I get annoyed when waiters say they only have Pepsi because it's like whatever, just bring me whatever Cokelike thing that you have. I think the only reason that Coke has not become truly generic like Kleenex or Xerox or Hoover is because Pepsi has been battling them relentlessly since the 70s. I think Nicorette is somewhat generic too because I can't think of another brand. For me it's the "I'm feeling sick I've got to medicate myself" line that does my head in. Not only does it sound ick, but there are too many syllables. This song is no Grace Kelly for me, unless you mean the French version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertina Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So The Origin of Love is winning? I feel out of place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mari62 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I chose UW and Celebrate. Among the new songs, Celebrate is the one I can most relate to, the lyrics mean a lot to me, make me feel really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DongDong Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I really hope TOOL as the first single to release in UK,though Celebrate is the first single in some countries now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathouzouf Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 First I must say that I love them all.... My first choice is The origin of love because I love when he sings with a lower voice and I really like the vibe to it... My second choice is Make you happy because... I don't know exactly. The general feeling behind it? I think the robotic voice makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 10, 2012 Author Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) I can't stop listening to TOOL I think this is Mika's best song since Grace Kelly. It has the potential to be a real pop classic, yes even here in the cynical old UK. : I think so, too. Medicate and Nicorette just doesn't belong in a love song, it's poetically incorrect! I like how brilliantly you worded this. I chose Celebrate and TOOL.Celebrate because I like the simpleness about it (I have no idea if that is a real English word:blush-anim-cl: or if it is appropriate in this context, in Swedish it would be enkelhet, the way the song is easy to listen to and to take under your wings:naughty:). And... I think it's good for him to write a "mainstream" song once in a while, good for his carrier.: I wish he'd release it here first rather than Celebrate. I'm prepared to be disappointed again though, as it fails to get airplay and thus success over here I really hope TOOL as the first single to release in UK,though Celebrate is the first single in some countries now. I keep wondering if Celebrate was the right choice, especially for the UK. After Lovebox I was discussing with someone that out of the 2 songs we heard by then, even MYH, that clearly has no 'immediate' appeal, would probably make a better single than Celebrate over there. However, they may have a well-thought out strategy behind, like getting interest in Mika across Europe with Celebrate and then release something else for the UK in September. or a strong second single right before the album release. The most important thing is for the record company to understand that they won't be able to sell the album with Celebrate. If there is strong commitment behind Mika they may have planned to leave the best for last or at least at a later stage -, and not use all the gunpowder at the very beginning. As far as I remember, 'Angels' by Robbie Williams was the 4th or 5th single from his first album, for example. So by then it was not the single but the album the audience bought. However, it would suppose a strong commitment from the record company's side - them committing to not drop the artist after the first single fails or sales of the album do not pick up immediately, like they do it so often now Edited July 10, 2012 by suzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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