FREDDIESDOUBLE Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Nothing to do with that .. its been soft deleted .. which means we can bring it back once all the nasty comments are taken out ... which will be nearly all the thread...... I don't like the fact that entire threads are being deleted. I remember making a comment somewhere in the middle that the thread had reached 35 or so pages which means it was probably 50 pages or more by the time it was deleted. If what was going on in the thread was so offensive and an embarassment to MFC, then it should have been curtailed long before that point and not locked and then deleted long after the damage was done. As well as some of the harmless joking and legitimate concerns about Mika's changing shows, I and many others made an effort to compose responses to some of the criticisms. If entire threads are going to be deleted I don't see why we're all wasting our time posting in them in the first place. I only had time to read some of what Sarie said this morning about the other things that go on in the forum and I think she had a point, but I wasn't able to read the entire conversation since it's been deleted. If you want issues to be resolved, sweeping them under the rug like they don't exist instead of discussing them is not going to work. And moderating should involve guiding discussions in an acceptable direction and in the worst case scenario, deleting totally unacceptable posts. Deleting a 50-page thread that was allowed to run for a day without any moderation is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I agree with Christine. But everytime I try to take the page back to quote her, it says it cannot be displayed. *blames my internet server* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDIESDOUBLE Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hey .. why blame the mods for people putting nasty comments on a thread??? .. mmm thinks .. is that the mods fault???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kata Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 : So.. don't blame us (and certainly those who are mods way longer than I am..) but think a bit before you post something.. than nothing has to be removed at all..:biggrin2: Sorry I have to respond to this, do you expect us to think for others? You made this post as a response to Christine, who is one of the people who seems to think a hell of a lot before posting And I agree that it's ridiculous to remove a whole thread, if you look at my post in this thread now, it makes no sense at all. Now people can wonder what the hell I said about frying the woman, when they find this two months from now and they won't be able to check it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDIESDOUBLE Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Soft deleted peeps .. soft deleted ...it will be brought back once Ive removed all the comments .. its easier hat way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 We can't be anywhere, so (as I have said before) we all can be held responsible for what is posted and not to put it back to the mods.. I'm not holding anyone responsible for what was posted. I'm holding the mods responsible for the fact that they deleted hundreds of posts, many of which were harmless. Second of that, the thread is removed because of certain reasons.. Which are? Why were my posts and the hundreds of other posts deleted? Because they happened to be contained in a thread where some other unpleasant things were said? So.. don't blame us (and certainly those who are mods way longer than I am..) but think a bit before you post something.. than nothing has to be removed at all.. I haven't posted anything that needed to be removed and I've given plenty of thought to this subject. Deleting large threads wholesale means you are wasting the time of the people who participated in them. Deleting a thread because of some bad posts instead of deleting the bad posts means you are punishing dozens, even hundreds of people for the actions of a couple. Why should any of us waste our time posting in this forum when someone can come along at any time, make a remark that is deemed embarassing to MFC by the mods, and everything gets deleted? If there aren't enough mods to keep a thread under control in the space of more than a day, then you should probably get more. If you're going to have a laissez faire policy and let people say what they want, then stick to it. Coming in after the fact and wiping out a whole thread is not a reasonable solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah_loves_mika Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Edit: And I'm sort of disappointed that people are backing away from their opinions because they're afraid. If you apologize for HOW you said something about her, then that's fine. But to change your entire opinion because someone else threatened you? That's just lame. A fact of life is that sometimes you have to admit you are wrong. Ok, you have to stand up for yourself, but if you are wrong, and you know you are wrong, you have to put it right. And thats why i apologised for making a snap judgement. Just because everyone else was saying how she 'stole the show', i assumed she did, until i heard what some other people were saying. Someone said (I think it was Kelzy? Not sure) What if off stage, shes a really shy person who's trying on stage to overcome her fears? The last she would want is for people to knock her down. You cant just assume that everything is fine and dandy in peoples lives. But, its the fact that people werent stating opinions, they were making personal, vindictive attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I have stayed out of this thread until now because I felt like I had already gotten too involved in the other one, and even though I'm not ashamed of anything I said there (as I never insulted anyone or said bad things, other than my personal opinions on this person's performances), I just felt like "enough is enough" and let's just move on from the subject. Now reading all these comments I must say that I kind of agree with what Christine said. I found it a bit radical that the whole thread was deleted; there were lots of comments in it which were perfectly acceptable, and in fact only some of them were actually bad. Now let me clarify and say that I do think that some of those comments were disgraceful and should be deleted; there is no excuse for calling someone a "bitch" or "slutty" or that she acts "like a porn star". It's not my role to moralise anyone, but I think that people who posted those things should really stop and think long and hard about how they would feel if some random stranger would say those things about them. It's unacceptable to me and I strongly believe that those comments should not be allowed. However, and following up on what Christine said, a few of us actually had some good "conversations" on the thread, which I am sure helped some (me included) to see things under a different light and which were actually positive. It's for that reason that I also feel a bit uncomfortable about whole threads just being wiped out like that, when in fact only a few individuals or posts should be targetted. IMO Sara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandilambi Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I really don't see what the point of putting the topic back up would be. If tons of posts are edited out now, the entire context is going to be messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico_collard Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I don't like the fact that entire threads are being deleted. I remember making a comment somewhere in the middle that the thread had reached 35 or so pages which means it was probably 50 pages or more by the time it was deleted. If what was going on in the thread was so offensive and an embarassment to MFC, then it should have been curtailed long before that point and not locked and then deleted long after the damage was done. As well as some of the harmless joking and legitimate concerns about Mika's changing shows, I and many others made an effort to compose responses to some of the criticisms. If entire threads are going to be deleted I don't see why we're all wasting our time posting in them in the first place. I only had time to read some of what Sarie said this morning about the other things that go on in the forum and I think she had a point, but I wasn't able to read the entire conversation since it's been deleted. If you want issues to be resolved, sweeping them under the rug like they don't exist instead of discussing them is not going to work. And moderating should involve guiding discussions in an acceptable direction and in the worst case scenario, deleting totally unacceptable posts. Deleting a 50-page thread that was allowed to run for a day without any moderation is ridiculous. I disagree with you Christine on most of that... Yes, it probably should have been stopped before then, but it wasn't. Simple as that. However, attacking the moderators for trying to do a job isn't really needed. Let I remind you that it is voluntary, and it isn't as easy as you may think... we can't be everywhere, and we're not all on at the same time. I believe the reason it was deleted was to stop it getting out to Mika or someone in the band. Imagine how they would feel if they read that crap. Now, I have a question to ask you: Do you feel the moderators are doing a bad job? I really want to know. I have asked this question before when someone was having a go at the moderators and I'm going to ask it again... If you feel we aren't doing the right thing, feel free to complain to deano. We try as hard as we can to keep this forum going as well as it can, and if the majority of people thought before they posted we wouldn't have this same issue cropping up. It seems to end up being an "Us versus them" issue (well, that's the way I see it). I am sorry for saying so, but now you are a bit unfair to our mods.. and I am not saying this because I am one of them now, but I know now that it is really hard to be a mod... a lot to read and really a lot of work.. think about that!! We can't be anywhere, so (as I have said before) we all can be held responsible for what is posted and not to put it back to the mods.. Second of that, the thread is removed because of certain reasons.. We (the mods) are not going to remove threads if it isn't neccesary.. So.. don't blame us (and certainly those who are mods way longer than I am..) but think a bit before you post something.. than nothing has to be removed at all.. Thank you for standing up for us Sasje. I'm sure everyone appreciates it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasje Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Sorry I have to respond to this, do you expect us to think for others? You made this post as a response to Christine, who is one of the people who seems to think a hell of a lot before posting And I agree that it's ridiculous to remove a whole thread, if you look at my post in this thread now, it makes no sense at all. Now people can wonder what the hell I said about frying the woman, when they find this two months from now and they won't be able to check it Sorry if it seemed that way.. I didn't mean to.. I meant it in general actually.. So.. if it seemed like I was responding to one person only than I appologize.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDIESDOUBLE Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I really don't see what the point of putting the topic back up would be. If tons of posts are edited out now, the entire context is going to be messed up. So theres another comment you see and a valid one Everyone has different opinions .. But ... the posts need to come out , it would of been easier if they were not posted in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Soft deleted peeps .. soft deleted ...it will be brought back once Ive removed all the comments .. its easier hat way Aw, thanks Freddie. That answers my questions. Sorry for the hard time. I just don't think it's a good idea to delete large threads and wanted to voice my concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDIESDOUBLE Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Aw, thanks Freddie. That answers my questions. Sorry for the hard time. I just don't think it's a good idea to delete large threads and wanted to voice my concern. It seems like attack the mods season .... I will post it back up but altered Btw did you read the thread? , did you think i was ok?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico_collard Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 It seems like attack the mods season .... I will post it back up but altered Btw did you read the thread? , did you think i was ok?? I suppose we have to expect it at one stage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 However, attacking the moderators for trying to do a job isn't really needed. Let I remind you that it is voluntary, and it isn't as easy as you may think... we can't be everywhere, and we're not all on at the same time. It is not my intent to attack the mods and I am under no illusion that it's easy to keep up with what goes on in the forums. I'm not able to do it myself. But that doesn't mean we're going to be happy to have our posts deleted to compensate for the fact that there isn't enough mod presence. No, it's not your fault, but neither is it our fault and we shouldn't have to suffer the consequences. I'm not trying to attack anyone, I just want to voice my concerns because I'd hate to see this happen on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FREDDIESDOUBLE Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I just want to know .. what exactly we did wrong ... it was soft deleted so I can sort it out .... so do we leave it up with all those harsh and bitchy comments in??? .. answer no Simple solution to this .. dont post this type of thing in the first place ... we can have a MFC that is well run and we delete these sorts of comments or we have a free for all .. what would you prefer The mods try and keep it a pretty nice!! , I dont see why / how you turn it around to attack us .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kata Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 It seems like attack the mods season .... I will post it back up but altered Btw did you read the thread? , did you think i was ok?? Well if we can't hunt peacocks, then we of course look for a new target *throws pie at Freddie* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFa Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Seriously Kata, I thought we all agreed on NOT talking dirt about the Peacocks? *strokes my peacock* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Now, I have a question to ask you: Do you feel the moderators are doing a bad job? I really want to know. I have asked this question before when someone was having a go at the moderators and I'm going to ask it again... If you feel we aren't doing the right thing, feel free to complain to deano. We try as hard as we can to keep this forum going as well as it can, and if the majority of people thought before they posted we wouldn't have this same issue cropping up. It seems to end up being an "Us versus them" issue (well, that's the way I see it). Nico, I have said this in the past and I repeat it: I think that the mods usually do a great job here and I totally understand that it is a tough job, that you guys do it out of the kindness of your heart, and I appreciate and value that 100%. I myself would be totally uncapable of doing what you guys are doing and keeping my sanity, so my hat goes off to all of you. It's for that reason, and because I respect you, that I feel free to comment on issues like these so that all views can be taken into account and you guys can also see things from "the other side" so to speak. Not that I'm implying that there are sides in an antagonistic way, but you know what I mean! So, although your question was directed at Christine I will also answer it : no, I don't personally think that you do a bad job, I think you do a great one, I don't think that it's a matter of "us and them" and I think that perhaps you're taking this a little personally (and I mean this in the nicest possible way). I don't think that anyone meant this as a personal attack on your "mod skills" as such, just at how this particular incident was handled...At least that was the point of MY message, LOL! Nothing to do with that .. its been soft deleted .. which means we can bring it back once all the nasty comments are taken out ... which will be nearly all the thread...... Ok, that also makes me feel better... . I think that there are a lot of posts in that thread that are just comments on how some of us perceived the new band member, which were not nasty, not personally insulting, and totally ok to be expressed as anything else that is written on this forum. Also, I am one of the people who were guilty of thinking (and posting) a few things which I slightly changed my opinion about after reading other people's views on it, and that can only be good. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I just want to know .. what exactly we did wrong ... it was soft deleted so I can sort it out .... so do we leave it up with all those harsh and bitchy comments in??? .. answer no I thought it was permanently deleted because that's what people were calling for and then you (I think?) announced that you deleted it. I'm not one for censoring in general but it's a large forum and I understand that a few posts may need to be altered under the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kata Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 Seriously Kata, I thought we all agreed on NOT talking dirt about the Peacocks? *strokes my peacock* I'm a bit slow *throws pie at EnFa* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFa Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm a bit slow *throws pie at EnFa* *eats* So, gonna run. Don't want to mesh up a serious discussion. For påfuglene! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdeb Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 It is not my intent to attack the mods and I am under no illusion that it's easy to keep up with what goes on in the forums. I'm not able to do it myself. But that doesn't mean we're going to be happy to have our posts deleted to compensate for the fact that there isn't enough mod presence. No, it's not your fault, but neither is it our fault and we shouldn't have to suffer the consequences. I'm not trying to attack anyone, I just want to voice my concerns because I'd hate to see this happen on a regular basis. Well, it *hasn't* happened on a regular basis, has it? I've been here since February and I'm having a hard time remembering any other controversial thread being *entirely* zapped. (Other threads were closed or deleted because they were duplicates, or at the starters' request, sure... or maybe a post here and there has been deleted... ) dcdeb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico_collard Posted October 15, 2007 Share Posted October 15, 2007 It is not my intent to attack the mods and I am under no illusion that it's easy to keep up with what goes on in the forums. I'm not able to do it myself. But that doesn't mean we're going to be happy to have our posts deleted to compensate for the fact that there isn't enough mod presence. No, it's not your fault, but neither is it our fault and we shouldn't have to suffer the consequences. I'm not trying to attack anyone, I just want to voice my concerns because I'd hate to see this happen on a regular basis. I understand that Christine, but it really irritates me when some people (I'm not saying you) attack us for trying to do our job. It's not the first time it's happened. It happened to me not long ago where people were posting personal attacks against each other, I stepped in and someone had a go at me. The thread was closed in that instance... I'm not saying we get it right all the time, if we did we would truly be deserving of the "Super Mod" title, but it would be nice to see some support occasionally. We have 6 mods (FD, me, happikali, dcdeb, Sivan and now Sasje), as well as deano, when he is on. Do you honestly think we need more (because I would be curious to know if you think we do)? I understand you're not happy about the thread being deleted, but as FD has said a few times before, it can be fixed... I do think people should be aware of what they post. What is concerning me now is, if people found what was posted in the thread so offensive, why was it not reported? People can do that. In short, I wouldn't like for the forum to implode in itself becasue of bitchiness (yes, bitchiness - some of it is just that!). This is a great place, and I don't think anyone wouls like to see that happen (hopefully that made sense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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