Naectegale Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Zombie + Dracula + Frankenstein = Jesus Christ http://img2.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/11/01/diagramm,fun,jesus,religion,schaubild,zombies-770a084c7640d3c5282a6cc3d2a962c2_h.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greta Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 atheism in UE Zombie + Dracula + Frankenstein = Jesus Christ http://img2.visualizeus.com/thumbs/09/11/01/diagramm,fun,jesus,religion,schaubild,zombies-770a084c7640d3c5282a6cc3d2a962c2_h.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Being good without god http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-secular-conscience/200911/putting-god-out-the-ethics-business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 atheism in UE That's interesting. And lower % in the UK than I'd have thought..... I've got nothing against Mika It's his Fan Club I can't stand!!!!:roftl::roftl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 That's interesting. And lower % in the UK than I'd have thought..... I think a lot of brits just don't think about religion - they certainly don't go to church much. But if asked, they say C of E because they went to a CofE school, and the Queen is in charge, which is quite cosy really. Well - at least that's how I was brought up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 This is more representitive of the UK population - not http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2695559/Theres-no-God-say-96-in-web-poll-sting.html The poll on the Alpha Course site was circulated to the members of the British Humanist Association mailing list, so the result is not a surpise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igloo Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) great, an atheist thread! Can I join in? Edited November 4, 2009 by Igloo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 great, an atheist thread! Can I join in? Sure you can We don't say much though jut post interesting bits of news and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igloo Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Sure you can We don't say much though jut post interesting bits of news and such Great It's always good to know that there are others out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I think a lot of brits just don't think about religion - they certainly don't go to church much. But if asked, they say C of E because they went to a CofE school, and the Queen is in charge, which is quite cosy really.Well - at least that's how I was brought up I'm sure you're right both about people saying C of E and about people not thinking about religion. I kind of thought that my aetheism would mellow as I got old, but it hasn't. At a Christening recently, my b-i-l said quietly in a pew behind me that it was all a load of b******* and I found myself agreeing whereas I would have kept my mouth shut out of respect for believers. And far more people are speaking out publicly against religion (well, Christianity anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igloo Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure that it's the same here where people just don't think much about religion, and don't take the time to really find out what they actually believe. They seem to be christian mostly by tradition. My father is even like that. He admits that he doesn't believe in a god, but he won't call himself an atheist. The norwegian numbers are probably also very wrong because of how they handled the member lists in 1998. They basically listed every person in the country (who wasn't a member of another religion) as members. And it's also a hassle to get your name crossed from that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 Like in the old days, if you went to hospital and said 'no religion' for the forms, they smiled sweetly and ticked the C of E box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Interesting article http://media-newswire.com/release_1104755.html I particularly like the statement "Absence of evidence for God is, indeed, evidence of absence when the evidence should be there and is not." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Interesting article http://media-newswire.com/release_1104755.html I particularly like the statement "Absence of evidence for God is, indeed, evidence of absence when the evidence should be there and is not." Indeed But some would say the evidence is everywhere in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Interesting article http://media-newswire.com/release_1104755.html I particularly like the statement "Absence of evidence for God is, indeed, evidence of absence when the evidence should be there and is not." Love it Indeed But some would say the evidence is everywhere in everything. Ah, they do say it (I've had this discussion with many believers) but the thing is: in order to make such a statement, they need to provide proof. Which they can't. Which brings us back to the above mentioned statement by Nectar.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Ah, they do say it (I've had this discussion with many believers) but the thing is: in order to make such a statement, they need to provide proof. Which they can't. Which brings us back to the above mentioned statement by Nectar.... I tend to say 'if you want to call everything that is here God's work, God's creation, then OK.' But that hardly constitutes a personal God to take an interest in you however long or hard you pray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I tend to say 'if you want to call everything that is here God's work, God's creation, then OK.' But that hardly constitutes a personal God to take an interest in you however long or hard you pray! Everything around us has developed over time by the process of evolution - the evidence is there No creator necessary or desirable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Finger crossed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6509648/Former-head-of-BBC-calls-for-atheists-on-Radio-4-God-Slot.html "Lord Harrison opened the debate by saying that the BBC had given a platform to Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, but "we humanists are still denied even a walk-on part on Thought for the Day". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Everything around us has developed over time by the process of evolution - the evidence is there No creator necessary or desirable Exactly! Well said. Years ago, I used to sort of humour believers when they went on about that whilst we discussed these things, but I have long stopped doing that and now I just stop them in their tracks when they start carrying on like that. I noticed that even though I was trying to be nice, accommodating and understanding, they wouldn't do the same, and would rather try and push and shove their irrational beliefs down my throat, as if it was all a Higher Truth which I should just accept blindly. Now I just tell things are they are. If they go on about creation, I don't say "fine, that is your belief". I actually say that the evidence is there to negate their ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Exactly! Well said.Years ago, I used to sort of humour believers when they went on about that whilst we discussed these things, but I have long stopped doing that and now I just stop them in their tracks when they start carrying on like that. I noticed that even though I was trying to be nice, accommodating and understanding, they wouldn't do the same, and would rather try and push and shove their irrational beliefs down my throat, as if it was all a Higher Truth which I should just accept blindly. Now I just tell things are they are. If they go on about creation, I don't say "fine, that is your belief". I actually say that the evidence is there to negate their ideas. That is what Richard Dawkins does in his book,"The God Delusion" He makes the case for not "humouring" religious beliefs very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala_lollies44 Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 That is what Richard Dawkins does in his book,"The God Delusion" He makes the case for not "humouring" religious beliefs very well. My brother and I watched his documentary, Root of All Evil today. It was very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 That is what Richard Dawkins does in his book,"The God Delusion" He makes the case for not "humouring" religious beliefs very well. Yeah, I really like him! He's the one who also did "God is not great", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Everything around us has developed over time by the process of evolution - the evidence is there No creator necessary or desirable I do agree. I am guilty of humouring the believers out of some misplaced sense of respect...... Exactly! Well said.Years ago, I used to sort of humour believers when they went on about that whilst we discussed these things, but I have long stopped doing that and now I just stop them in their tracks when they start carrying on like that. I noticed that even though I was trying to be nice, accommodating and understanding, they wouldn't do the same, and would rather try and push and shove their irrational beliefs down my throat, as if it was all a Higher Truth which I should just accept blindly. Now I just tell things are they are. If they go on about creation, I don't say "fine, that is your belief". I actually say that the evidence is there to negate their ideas. .... but it is true. They don't respect my views. Finger crossed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6509648/Former-head-of-BBC-calls-for-atheists-on-Radio-4-God-Slot.html "Lord Harrison opened the debate by saying that the BBC had given a platform to Nick Griffin, the leader of the British National Party, but "we humanists are still denied even a walk-on part on Thought for the Day". And do you listen to thought for the day? Sometimes they suck me in with some quite perceptive point and they negate it all with the God twaddle. And people with far more education and life experiences than me. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I do agree. I am guilty of humouring the believers out of some misplaced sense of respect...... .... but it is true. They don't respect my views. And do you listen to thought for the day? Sometimes they suck me in with some quite perceptive point and they negate it all with the God twaddle. And people with far more education and life experiences than me. I don't get it. I must admit i never listen to it i occasionally hear the god spot on Wogan, about 9:15am. I usually cringe when they go on about god It amazes me, and worries me, that so many apparently intelligent people spend their whole lives fretting about something that doesn't exist. and arguing the finer points of beliefs based on old books. And when this translates into bullying people who don't agree with them, or, worse still violence and war, I despair. It's all so unnecessary and pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It amazes me, and worries me, that so many apparently intelligent people spend their whole lives fretting about something that doesn't exist. and arguing the finer points of beliefs based on old books. And when this translates into bullying people who don't agree with them, or, worse still violence and war, I despair. It's all so unnecessary and pointless Religion is just an excuse for the violence and war so if it wasn't religion it would be something else. Humans seem to love categorizing themselves and others into ingroups and outgroups. The same tensions will be caused by differences in politics, race, language, class...official fan forums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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