Naectegale Posted January 28, 2009 Share Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Now where have I seen this name recently?............. :roftl: Thanks, Ruth & Femifrosk I've never heared of this guy until tonight - but i'll look out for more Edited January 28, 2009 by Naectegale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Here's how to "undo" it http://www.secularism.org.uk/debaptism.html and an article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7941817.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Here's how to "undo" it http://www.secularism.org.uk/debaptism.html and an article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7941817.stm This sounds a bit too angry for me. My parents had me Christened, presumably because they believed that there would be problems if I died as a baby and they didn't want that for me. They also told me about the tooth fairy and Father Christmas. I bear them no ill will for any of that. Luckily I was brought up as a Methodist and one of the things about that is that you are not confirmed into the church until you are old enough to make your own decisions. So I chose not to confirm my membership of the church, not to undo the original rite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 This sounds a bit too angry for me. My parents had me Christened, presumably because they believed that there would be problems if I died as a baby and they didn't want that for me. They also told me about the tooth fairy and Father Christmas. I bear them no ill will for any of that. Luckily I was brought up as a Methodist and one of the things about that is that you are not confirmed into the church until you are old enough to make your own decisions. So I chose not to confirm my membership of the church, not to undo the original rite. Yes I don't understand it. To me atheism is a lack of belief. It's got nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion. I could be baptized or not baptized. If you don't believe in any of it it's meaningless so I don't see the need to worry about it one way or another. Of course I was never baptized and was never forced to reject Christianity so maybe I'd feel differently in different circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Here's how to "undo" it http://www.secularism.org.uk/debaptism.html and an article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7941817.stm Thanks Naect, this is interesting. The links that you posted led me to this one: http://www.secularism.org.uk/spanishmayordemandshisbaptismbea.html And this is certainly something that I will look into. I tried speaking to the Church (Spanish Catholic) many years ago to request my removal from their records as a catholic, but they just refused. This gives me new hope, and I shall certainly go for it. This sounds a bit too angry for me. My parents had me Christened, presumably because they believed that there would be problems if I died as a baby and they didn't want that for me. They also told me about the tooth fairy and Father Christmas. I bear them no ill will for any of that. Luckily I was brought up as a Methodist and one of the things about that is that you are not confirmed into the church until you are old enough to make your own decisions. So I chose not to confirm my membership of the church, not to undo the original rite. It depends on the situation I guess. I was also baptised as a baby, hence in the same circumstances as you. However, later on I was forced to go to cathequesis and get the communion and confirmation (all these against my will, which I expressed at the time quite strongly). The problem is that, despite my protests, and even though I made these to the priests themselves who were carrying out the procedures, I was just not taken seriously and forced to carry on with it. Good old Catholic Church, aye, sooo kind and pious . So yes, in my case I am angry, and I feel that I have the right to 'undo' this wrong, as it was very clearly forced on me. It was a long, draw out battle, that only ended when at the age of 17 I finally managed to break free, but the damage had already been done a long time before that. It just goes to show how different situations can affect one's feelings towards a particular event . Edited March 15, 2009 by sariflor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 This sounds a bit too angry for me. My parents had me Christened, presumably because they believed that there would be problems if I died as a baby and they didn't want that for me. They also told me about the tooth fairy and Father Christmas. I bear them no ill will for any of that. Luckily I was brought up as a Methodist and one of the things about that is that you are not confirmed into the church until you are old enough to make your own decisions. So I chose not to confirm my membership of the church, not to undo the original rite. Yes I don't understand it. To me atheism is a lack of belief. It's got nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion. I could be baptized or not baptized. If you don't believe in any of it it's meaningless so I don't see the need to worry about it one way or another. Of course I was never baptized and was never forced to reject Christianity so maybe I'd feel differently in different circumstances. Thanks Naect, this is interesting. The links that you posted led me to this one: http://www.secularism.org.uk/spanishmayordemandshisbaptismbea.html And this is certainly something that I will look into. I tried speaking to the Church (Spanish Catholic) many years ago to request my removal from their records as a catholic, but they just refused. This gives me new hope, and I shall certainly go for it. It depends on the situation I guess. I was also baptised as a baby, hence in the same circumstances as you. However, later on I was forced to go to cathequesis and get the communion and confirmation (all these against my will, which I expressed at the time quite strongly). The problem is that, despite my protests, and even though I made these to the priests themselves who were carrying out the procedures, I was just not taken seriously and forced to carry on with it. Good old Catholic Church, aye, sooo kind and pious . So yes, in my case I am angry, and I feel that I have the right to 'undo' this wrong, as it was very clearly forced on me. It was a long, draw out battle, that only ended when at the age of 17 I finally managed to break free, but the damage had already been done a long time before that. It just goes to show how different situations can affect one's feelings towards a particular event . I tend to agree that it's best to ignore the issue than fight against it - if you were too young, or even forced, then it is simply meaningless. I was amused by the idea - it had never occurred to me to want to "undo" my CofE christening. Probably because after my christening, I didn't have a lot to do with going to church, except at school for Christmas and Easter If you are angry at being forced, the certificate is a harmless and funny way to make the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 This made me smile “When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala_lollies44 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 This made me smile “When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=285 I love that. My mom still thinks I'm gonna be baptized. She just doesn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 I love that. My mom still thinks I'm gonna be baptized. She just doesn't get it. It's tough when your family have expectations I am lucky - my family are anglicans in theory, but don't go to church, so I never had pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Angel Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 One more atheist commin to town... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala_lollies44 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 It's tough when your family have expectations I am lucky - my family are anglicans in theory, but don't go to church, so I never had pressure. Yeah, sometimes I think my mom lives in her own world. She always says that I'm just confused because of my older brother's influence. Oh, well, at least she doesn't think I'm evil like some of my others family members do.(I have a cousin who is always trying to "save my soul from evil.":blush-anim-cl:) I think she will accept it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 One more atheist commin to town... Yeah, sometimes I think my mom lives in her own world. She always says that I'm just confused because of my older brother's influence. Oh, well, at least she doesn't think I'm evil like some of my others family members do.(I have a cousin who is always trying to "save my soul from evil.":blush-anim-cl:) I think she will accept it eventually. Welcome, Dark Angel join the happy band lala_lollies44 - you can leave your mum in hope, for now - she can't push the baptism thing if she knows you are not committed - and in time you will grow up and become independent and it will be easier edit: It's just occured to me you may already be 37, and your mum just doesn't know when to give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lala_lollies44 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 lala_lollies44 - you can leave your mum in hope, for now - she can't push the baptism thing if she knows you are not committed - and in time you will grow up and become independent and it will be easier edit: It's just occured to me you may already be 37, and your mum just doesn't know when to give up Don't worry, I'm not 37, I'm 17! I hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 One more atheist commin to town... Welcome to town then Don't worry, I'm not 37, I'm 17! I hope you're right. Well, hopefully she will accept that you are an adult soon, with your own views.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanou Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 hey guys!! one more resident comming to town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 hey guys!! one more resident comming to town Welcome Nanou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 It depends on the situation I guess. I was also baptised as a baby, hence in the same circumstances as you. However, later on I was forced to go to cathequesis and get the communion and confirmation (all these against my will, which I expressed at the time quite strongly). The problem is that, despite my protests, and even though I made these to the priests themselves who were carrying out the procedures, I was just not taken seriously and forced to carry on with it. Good old Catholic Church, aye, sooo kind and pious . So yes, in my case I am angry, and I feel that I have the right to 'undo' this wrong, as it was very clearly forced on me. It was a long, draw out battle, that only ended when at the age of 17 I finally managed to break free, but the damage had already been done a long time before that. It just goes to show how different situations can affect one's feelings towards a particular event . Mine was the Methodist church and they don't confirm you at such a young age as other protestant and the RC churches. So I was old enough to say no and they had to listen. Funnily enough I now go to my Conversational French class there and it evokes memories of hiding in the toilet till the service started then slipping out of the back door I tend to agree that it's best to ignore the issue than fight against it - if you were too young, or even forced, then it is simply meaningless. I was amused by the idea - it had never occurred to me to want to "undo" my CofE christening. Probably because after my christening, I didn't have a lot to do with going to church, except at school for Christmas and Easter If you are angry at being forced, the certificate is a harmless and funny way to make the point Yes, anything that's carried out against your will becomes meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 Interesting article on belief http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jul/16/daniel-dennett-belief-atheism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 and another - about humanist summer camps in the US http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14031492 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naectegale Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 another interesting article http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2009/07/the_silliest_smear.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlightchild Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I am an agnostic i am not quite sure about anything~ me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirano Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 dont know , was just wondering, since my grandma, my friends and i are...if there was a lot of them here. The only thing I think of is science and that we all live in an opposite world (that we all have our own idea of how the world looks like, etc.). But there is nothing called "god" the world (from my point of view) is to cruel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greta Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 a bit of cosmic pessimism thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Leopardi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 a bit of cosmic pessimism thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Leopardi Hahahaha! Love it. This is hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Oh good, a funny to see me off to bed Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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