mellody Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) Why? Maybe you'll be able to tell me what that part is about because I don't really understand it:blink: just think of a gay couple and what the church says... it's really smart, a metaphor he takes from the bible itself, to criticize the church! LIKE adam and eve... god didn't think they deserved it... he (...) made them hide... i love how this part stands out from the rest, musically (surely not a coincidence...), and thus it's the first of the verses i knew by heart - and now that i've fully realized what the song is about, i love this bit even more and see it as the centerpiece of the song. Edited July 28, 2012 by mellody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 just think of a gay couple and what the church says... it's really smart, a metaphor he takes from the bible itself, to criticize the church! LIKE adam and eve... god didn't think they deserved it... he (...) made them hide... Yes I think it points out that the biblical god has twisted and tried to make all love sinful, forcing even a man and woman to feel shameful of who they are and shameful of their perfectly natural behaviour. So people should not be looking to the bible and outdated religious doctrine for moral guidance and reasons to cast judgement on homosexual relationships either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ce_mika Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Clear audio, even in the spoken part [YOUTUBE]ABtSHs_dG4U[/YOUTUBE] Grazie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mari62 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 I've been in love with the song since I listened to it live in Nice And hubby told me it's one of the best tracks Mika has ever written, without me asking any feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikaMadLuke Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 By any chance does anyone hear the difference in this clip to the one Jo played? http://snd.sc/NOa8W6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth.C Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Yes I think it points out that the biblical god has twisted and tried to make all love sinful, forcing even a man and woman to feel shameful of who they are and shameful of their perfectly natural behaviour. So people should not be looking to the bible and outdated religious doctrine for moral guidance and reasons to cast judgement on homosexual relationships either. wow, i think that you may be going too far. according to the bible, God is love, and all kinds of love. It's just that not every person who follows God is able to see it in that way [specially the oldest ones ] and, well, old people guides the church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 wow, i think that you may be going too far. according to the bible, God is love, and all kinds of love. It's just that not every person who follows God is able to see it in that way [specially the oldest ones ] and, well, old people guides the church I have not studied the bible but I don't see any "love" in the story of Adam and Eve. It's about punishment, judgement, sin, shame, banishment, etc. I don't think it's the interpretation of "old people". It's very clear IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 wow, i think that you may be going too far. according to the bible, God is love, and all kinds of love. It's not Christine's interpretation, it is Mika's LYRICS. Have you read them? "Used to be Adam and Eve they found their love in a tree God didn't think they deserved it He taught them hate taught them pride Gave them a leaf made them hide Let’s put their stories aside You know the origin is you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellody Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 By any chance does anyone hear the difference in this clip to the one Jo played? http://snd.sc/NOa8W6 where's that from? i think there's more voice distortion in your clip than in the one from the radio, and it might be a fuller sound (more bass / deep frequencies), but not sure as it's not really loud... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 where's that from? i think there's more voice distortion in your clip than in the one from the radio, and it might be a fuller sound (more bass / deep frequencies), but not sure as it's not really loud... I'll be really annoyed if they overdo this voice distortion and ruin the song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I really don't think you can judge whether there is more or less distortion based on internet clips. Every sound gets distorted when you compress it over and over. We're just going to have to wait for the album cut to see what he's done with it I think. Maybe this new Chilean film clip will use Mika's latest version so we can get a more accurate idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 I really don't think you can judge whether there is more or less distortion based on internet clips. Every sound gets distorted when you compress it over and over. I think it is deliberately distorted because of the drugs part at the beginning (I accept that, sounds good) but as it stays on, I do find it worrying as it is almost ruining the song for me or at least not letting it reach its full potential in sound. So I'd rather write down my concerns now than after it has been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikaMadLuke Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 where's that from? i think there's more voice distortion in your clip than in the one from the radio, and it might be a fuller sound (more bass / deep frequencies), but not sure as it's not really loud... It's from BBC Radio 2's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I think it is deliberately distorted because of the drugs part at the beginning (I accept that, sounds good) but as it stays on, I do find it worrying as it is almost ruining the song for me or at least not letting it reach its full potential in sound. So I'd rather write down my concerns now than after it has been released. I know there is some deliberate distortion but I think one internet clip sounding worse than the other is just an artifact of the poor file quality and not due to them coming from different mixes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumazzz Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 By any chance does anyone hear the difference in this clip to the one Jo played? http://snd.sc/NOa8W6 Would you make the D/L link ? Your SOUNDCLOUD's setting isn't able to be D/L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyaboutmika Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 I've been in love with the song since I listened to it live in Nice And hubby told me it's one of the best tracks Mika has ever written, without me asking any feedback yes, it is . I've made non Mika fans listen to it and they loved it at first hearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elizabeth.C Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I have not studied the bible but I don't see any "love" in the story of Adam and Eve. It's about punishment, judgement, sin, shame, banishment, etc. I don't think it's the interpretation of "old people". It's very clear IMO. Adam and Eve [bible story] is about disobedience, they were punished and banished for being disobedient. the love was before they were disobedient .... but Mika´s Adam and Eve is a different story. It's not Christine's interpretation, it is Mika's LYRICS. Have you read them? "Used to be Adam and Eve they found their love in a tree God didn't think they deserved it He taught them hate taught them pride Gave them a leaf made them hide Let’s put their stories aside You know the origin is you" yes, i've read them [btw, i thought it was "like stupid Adam and Eve" ] and, well, this is not like the Adam and Eve on the bible. Sorry Christine, i thought you were talking about the bible version, not Mika's version [i'm used to the bible version sorry, i always forgot that in the song, the story is not the same] anyways, the part that i like the most of those verses is "let's put their stories aside" cuz makes me think that this and other stories really doesn't matter cuz "you know the origin is you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 @Elisabeth.C yes, I seem to have copied lyrics from an earlier version without checking. It does not change the meaning though, even emphasizes Mika's reluctance to accept the teaching and preaching of the church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Sky Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I still think he says Well if god is a priest and the devil a slut Well that's a reason for nothing Because in the Heaven video he shakes his head a little on nothing - I know you all think it's "loving" but why does he shake his head:aah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sariflor Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Adam and Eve [bible story] is about disobedience, they were punished and banished for being disobedient. the love was before they were disobedient .... but Mika´s Adam and Eve is a different story. I think that one could also say that the biblical Adam and Eve story is ultimately about totalitarian control and power. God wanted the total control, and told them to stay away from the apple (without providing an explanation of why this was necessary). When Adam and Eve 'disobeyed', he unleashed the massive punishment and showed no mercy or love. I think it's very OTT, personally, and shows a huge need to control and manipulate. Anyway, this is not really the topic so I will STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikaMadLuke Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I still think he saysWell if god is a priest and the devil a slut Well that's a reason for nothing Because in the Heaven video he shakes his head a little on nothing - I know you all think it's "loving" but why does he shake his head:aah: I hear nothing too, especially on the studio version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I don't hear "loving" particularly, it's just a random guess. I will go with "nothing" too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Welcomes Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I heard "loving", "nothing" and even "loathing" . Still none of them make much sence:dunno: We miss the aim... More versions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikasister Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) I heard "loving", "nothing" and even "loathing" . Still none of them make much sence:dunno: We miss the aim... More versions ? I heard "nothing" and if you read his lips in the vid of Heaven, you'll see clearly he says "nothing" Edited July 30, 2012 by Mikasister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannu Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Some pieces from Tallinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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