MIKA to be Judge on XFactor 7 #XF7 Italia 2013

[nenartus]

Roberta is out? What happened to Gaia?

 

I also didn't like Michele's performance this time. What Morgan did with the song was great. It's fresh and interesting, but Michele was pale and flat this time. Blame it on his youth and the lack of that kind of energy this song needed.

 

I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL THE PERFORMANCES, BUT i'M GLAD vIOLETTA DECIDED TO LISTEN TO mIKA AND DROP OUT THAT GOATY VIBRATO. I'm not yelling. Caps turned on accidentally.

Edited November 15, 2013 by nenartus

[charlie20]

@Graciosa Ok.I do the translation and I'll post it tomorrow.

 

Simona Ventura have been extremely rude, aggressive and resentful towards Mika, also in an unfair manner, using an Italian proverb that he obviously did not understand.But Morgan and Elio too attacked him.Not anymore just a competition between singers,but a "war" between the three italian judges and Mika.The hostility is evident.

[DoReMi]

Basically what Elio is saying is that Mika's singers have already an advantage simply because they are part of Mika's team and he is a star.

Morgan does not agree with it, and Mika obviously does not agree either, stating that he just lost Roberta whom he thought was his best singer, although she needed to work on her image.

 

Thank you!

[Graciosa]

@Graciosa Ok.I do the translation and I'll post it tomorrow.

 

Simona Ventura have been extremely rude, aggressive and resentful towards Mika, also in an unfair manner, using an Italian proverb that he obviously did not understand.But Morgan and Elio too attacked him.Not anymore just a competition between singers,but a "war" between the three italian judges and Mika.The hostility is evident.

 

Yes, even when you don't understand italian you could get that.

I really liked xfactor Italia until now; but this - no! I only hope Mika could enjoy his job at xfactor until it will finish.

[charlie20]

Yes,I totally agree with you.But now I don't know,he is in a difficult position.

[Sabine64]

On which day is the final show? How many live shows to go? Until now I liked the other judges but it could change very fast........

[DerMoment1608]

I'm very sad that Roberta is out as well and I loved her. And I'm conviced that she would have won a tilt-televoting easily.

 

But I don't believe in any "conspiracy theories" because they are just happening every time for every contestant who dropped out in every music show. You just realize it more and you are more willing to believe it if you are fan. Don't make the mistake to generalize your own feeling that it's false that the contestant is out.

 

I don't want to disqualify anybodies opinion, but it's just an observation of years of following Eurovision and the national finals (with casting formats and other formats) very closely and reading comments and discussions. And people writing that it's rigged is just like another Godwin's law, it happens every time. It was the same with Lorenzo (this one a little bit louder) and with the Freeboys.

 

Don't forget that Gaia wasn't voted out but got a tilt.

 

If Roberta would have been saved than people would have cried that it's rigged because Mika is so popular and Sky is pushing his contestants therefore for example.

 

I don't know the procedure this time. Was it like always? In the beginning she got less votes by people, right? And only after it she faced the judges?

 

Yes. So even if the other judges decided for Fabio, it was the decision of the televoters that Fabio and Roberta where the least best of the first manche for them.

 

Oh, and I haven't watched yet what exactly they have said, but I think if their point was that it helps the girls that Mika is charming half of Italy right now, they are right. Because there is a loyalty if you are fan (you just want to see him happy) and if you identify with someone you don't see the girls just with your own eyes, but also through the eyes of Mika, and his enthusiasm transfers. It's not the main point, that's still the contestant, but it for sure influences a little bit.

[charlie20]

@Sabine64 The final is on December 12.There are still 4 live shows.

 

@DerMoment1608 This isn't only my opinion,media and fans say this,after the week seen in XDaily,and after the confrontation between Simona Ventura and Mika of the third live it was obvious.Sorry,but you don't know the italian television and XFactor Italy,that it is always been dominated from the beginning by Morgan and Simona Ventura,a very powerful and vindictive show-woman in the italian tv.It's not the first time it happens.What she is doing and will continue to do against Mika with the help of the other two, she has already done to others.No one has ever dared to oppose to her openly as Mika did,with his honesty.All in the Italian media were shocked by that.I can assure you that the last live and yesterday she was livid and furious.

Edited November 16, 2013 by charlie20

[Kumazzz]

15-11-2013

 

Daily 16: i ragazzi si preparano a Hell Factor

 

http://xfactor.sky.it/showvideo/178295/daily-16-i-ragazzi-si-preparano-a-hell-factor/15-11-2013/xfactor,XF7,/

 

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15-11-2013

 

Gli highlights dell'Hell Factor

 

http://xfactor.sky.it/showvideo/178210/gli-highlights-dellhell-factor/15-11-2013/xfactor,XF7,/

 

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[Teresa]

I'm very sad that Roberta is out as well and I loved her. And I'm conviced that she would have won a tilt-televoting easily.

 

But I don't believe in any "conspiracy theories" because they are just happening every time for every contestant who dropped out in every music show. You just realize it more and you are more willing to believe it if you are fan. Don't make the mistake to generalize your own feeling that it's false that the contestant is out.

 

I don't want to disqualify anybodies opinion, but it's just an observation of years of following Eurovision and the national finals (with casting formats and other formats) very closely and reading comments and discussions. And people writing that it's rigged is just like another Godwin's law, it happens every time. It was the same with Lorenzo (this one a little bit louder) and with the Freeboys.

 

Don't forget that Gaia wasn't voted out but got a tilt.

 

If Roberta would have been saved than people would have cried that it's rigged because Mika is so popular and Sky is pushing his contestants therefore for example.

 

 

 

Yes. So even if the other judges decided for Fabio, it was the decision of the televoters that Fabio and Roberta where the least best of the first manche for them.

 

Oh, and I haven't watched yet what exactly they have said, but I think if their point was that it helps the girls that Mika is charming half of Italy right now, they are right. Because there is a loyalty if you are fan (you just want to see him happy) and if you identify with someone you don't see the girls just with your own eyes, but also through the eyes of Mika, and his enthusiasm transfers. It's not the main point, that's still the contestant, but it for sure influences a little bit.

 

AMEN to what you wrote.

 

I am very saddened for example by the fact the street clerks are out, but certainly I'm not talking about conspiracy... I might think it is unfair, just like about Roberta, but that's my personal thought about it, no need to talk about complots or stuff like that. Mika's vocal coach herself said she expected one of his girls to be eliminated, it was a matter of probabilities after all, he had a huge team that no one ever had, and it was actually impossible to preserve it.

[DerMoment1608]

Yes, you are right, I don't know anything from the other XF shows or what has happened before, so I can't judge that and my opinion is only based on the shows, XDailies and interviews I've seen so far.

 

Still I think there is a "perception-shift". Because it's just "louder". On the one hand because it's just more of interest in general than for example the elimination of Lorenzo, so more people, fans and media, have their saying. And you "hear" it more if you are fan of Mika and/or the contestant (I don't think you have talked to fans of Lorenzo after his elimination or have read a lot of articles dealing with it for example). And if you don't share the decision you are more open to these opinions.

 

Saying that, I see Simona as a very powerful and vindictive woman as well. And a woman who wants to "press through" the things she is convinced of strongly. Well, in a way Mika, Morgan and Elio are doing that as well, but I think their priorities are more at the "right place" regarding what is most important (in my opinion), like artistic integrity. Simona seems to think very "commercial", more like a "saleswoman" than a musician. And she didn't make the best decisions for choosing songs and way of presentation for her contestants in my mind (which didn't let the Street Clerks shine as much as they could have for example)

 

But I have a very good opinion of Morgan and Elio so far. And from what I've seen until now, I don't see any reason for changing that or assuming that the two of will work against Mika or that there will be a "the other 3 judges will band together against Mika" situation or that envy is their motivation. Just because these two eliminated one time a contestant from Mika doesn't mean that they aren't valuating the contestants. And that wasn't the point of Elio in the video either.

 

(After watching what Elio said I think he really has a point with "I haven't said that the singers of Mika are going into the next rounds only because they're Mika's. I've said something different: That they have an advantage because Mika is their judge, but they are fantastic as well.")

 

All of that doesn't mean I won't change my mind in the future. But I don't see any reason to make bad conclusions regarding all 3 judges from what happened at one week.

[DerMoment1608]

But now back to other things - like Michele

 

Of course I've watched his performance. Maybe this time it was a bit too much show for me (with walking to the judge table) and I think his voice is a little bit to "tender" for a rock arrangement. But his voice himself :wub2: And he achieved to don't let the song/performance feel cheesy

[charlie20]

This is the translation of this article:http://www.optimaitalia.com/blog/2013/11/15/tutti-contro-mika-esplode-la-polemica-ma-e-lui-la-chiave-del-successo-di-x-factor-7/118053

 

All/Everyone against Mika : explodes the controversy, but he is the key to the success of X Factor 7.

venerdì, 15 novembre, 2013 13:04 di Claudia Gagliardi

 

If at first were mostly veiled digs, nice bickerings, some outburst immediately returned, now the judges of X Factor 7 don’t mince their words : all against Mika in the fourth live show of the program, the one that saw eliminated Roberta Pompa and Street Clerks. All against the Lebanese artist that already on the eve of the first episode and then was referred to as the great revelation of this year. Feared for the great musical competence and the quality of decisions, the ability to captivate the audience, but mostly because the assignment of the categories for this year has meant that he would find himself with competitors considered the strongest in the race/competition.

 

The fourth live show of X Factor 7 has seen explode all the controversy so far in the latent: Mika is the favorite to win this edition of the talent show (although it would be more correct to speak in terms of competitors and not of judges, but it is known that the identification is automatic and inevitabile), by now everyone is convinced of it. Not only the bookmakers, the public who comment on Twitter, the other aspiring talents in the competition, by now so do the judges and they no longer make mistery of not digest this real or presumed supremacy of the international pop star.

 

To fling with determination against Mika is especially Simona Ventura, now left with only one group in the competition after the elimination of Street Clerks: “I accept the audience response.It's obvious that in the strength of the judges Mika has a strength which is certainly different from mine - she said in an argumentative tone during the Xtra Factor - . It’s obvious this, that his being a singer beloved by everyone has a weight”. The analysis of Simona Ventura, who sees the popularity of Mika among the public a penalizing factor for other competitors, is also agreed by Elio: “The (girls) singers of Mika start already advantaged by the fact that Mika is their judge.Because Mika has a following unmanageable - the judge said - So for us other three is much harder this year”. Elio complains that the other judges start at a disadvantage, forced to "convince the public only with the strength of the performance”. That then, wanting to clarify, the goal is that: it’s to be rewarded the artist’s performance and certainly not the judge. But the theory of Ventura and Elio is that there is a surplus of favor from the public to the Under Women only because captained by Mika.

 

The truth is that X Factor 7 owe a lot to Mika, perhaps in general all the success of this edition, which has chalked up record numbers in terms of share for a satellite network and interactions on social networks.It is no coincidence that his arrival in Milan as a judge of the program was greeted with an impressive enthusiasm, confident that his stylish and ironic personality would bring only benefits to the show. And so it was: we began/started talking about a "style Mika", a way of doing TV which combines entertainment and culture, an approach that has nothing to do with the trash that we have also seen in the X Factor past editions. A personality able to bring new life to a format that, like everyone/everything else, over the years has inevitably exposed to the attrition risk. But the discontent began to spread quickly and now has come out with arrogance.

 

Even Morgan, who defended Mika declaring disagree with the thesis of Simona Ventura (he that of X Factor has won as many as 5 and maybe even a little thanks to the personality factor that today is recognized in Mika), do not let it slip the opportunity to denounce an alleged favoritism towards the popstar. Dressed in style John Lennon, has set aside the mood "Love and Peace" to lash out at the production after the performance of Gaia, he said much more organized of the other at the scenic level:

"When they delivered the backing tracks (basi musicali) to Mika, three months ago? You can not be so unfair. The Mona Lisa with the laser and mine singing Grease alone in the middle of the stage with nothing. It seems to me too much, Mika has four competitors and I two. You should distribute the amount of scenographies based on the number of singers, "Morgan said after the performance of Gaia, which still went to the ballot. Then the clarification: "If I were Morgan tonight I would talk in other terms. And this message goes to the whole production, not to Tommassini that he has busted his a**. "

 

In short, while the web protests the elimination of Roberta Pompa and Mika faces his first loss, come out all the contradictions and frustrations that in these first few episodes had remained in the shadows, hidden by the sparkle of the show on the stage of X Factor 7. On the other hand, was to be the evening of the Hell Factor. And it was.

[guylainem123]

Wait... The other judges are saying that Mika's singers have an advantage simply because he is loved?

 

Are they saying that playfully or they are upset by it?

[charlie20]

1. the production of the program wanted a pop star of the international level like Mika to raise the bar in terms of quality, to break away from the provincialism of Italian music.Simona Ventura agreed to this and was “excited” to have Mika in the show because he was a resource that could add a precius value.She has done a million of interviews saying this and has always done “the great friend” with him.Until he contrasted her and dared to criticize her choices and her groups.And Morgan declared that he had decided to continue to make the show even in the seventh edition just because there was Mika.

2. All, first of all the judges and before Simon Cowell did the assignments, said that the women were the best, the most prepared and the strongest-ever of all the competitors and all of them wanted the under women team.In fact Morgan was very disappointed.So now they are strong just because there is Mika,right?

3. They were not prepared and did not expect that he learned so quickly the Italian and that he showed such a personality and charisma, as well as expertise, to completely overshadow them.Everyone has seen this right away from the first auditions. For people so self-centered and full of himself, always to have the undivided attention of anyone and to exercise considerable control in their shows,with media and public, is very difficult to accept it. TOTAL PERSONALITY CLASH.

4.Simona Ventura in the third live saved Aba and in the forth live she eliminated Roberta because there are too much female singers in the discography.Coherence!

And the proverb about la volpe e l’uva= the Fox and the Grapes was stupid and offensive.

 

5.Morgan is very clever,he knows how to manipulate the public/audience and said a bunch of crap and nonsense. About choreographies,if you have seen XDAILY before the live show you know what he said was totally BS.Tommassini and his collaborators had prepared several choreographies for Andrea, but none worked and in the end they decided to do nothing, along with Morgan.And by the way,the girls were 3 because they just eliminated Roberta.

 

You can believe what you want, but this is the reality of things.They can not harm Mika personally and his musical career,but they are definitely damaging those girls and others (as has already been done and how it will be done again) and perhaps their musical future with no care at all.Their egos is more important.Mika can not do for them more than what he is already doing.What is sure that a good and honest person like him is out of place in a television environment with people like those.And don't worry,unless something unexpected happens he and his girls will not win.Morgan probably will.Again.

[charlie20]

@guylainem123 they are very serious and very aggressive.This is the real XFactor Italy.These are the strategies of the three italian judges to counter the girls of Mika. And Mika,obviously.

Edited November 16, 2013 by charlie20

[guylainem123]

well, the fact that these girls are heard by many people, perhaps people in the music business is a good thing.

 

i have a friend who participated to La Voix in Quebec. He didn't win. As a matter of fact he didn't want to win, because the winner's contract is too strict & doesn't allow any freedom for many years.

 

He was happy to be heard and attract the publicity he got. He toured on his own all summer, he was fully booked. He had to get a manager to handle his career.

 

So, it's not a total disaster not to be THE winner. He has an album coming out this year

[guylainem123]

@guylainem123 they are very serious and very aggressive.

 

that's an interesting turn of event

[A. Clay]

@guylainem123 they are very serious and very aggressive.This is the real XFactor Italy.These are the strategies of the three italian judges to counter the girls of Mika. And Mika,obviously.

 

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[tiibet]

Well it obviously felt like a competition this time. I kind of thought that's how it is. It IS a competition I felt so bad for Roberta and for Mika when she was voted out because she didn't deserve it but I expected one of the girls drop because he still had four and I expected even the production wanting one them out. Mika is the star in the show. There's no question about it. The audience loves him. He IS good at what he is doing. Once the host just passed Mika (and didn't let him speak) and everyone started to protest, lol. He saved the whole season. And as I don't know Italian television shows I have no idea if there will be a war between judges or if they will play even dirty (I really don't know how it usually is) but I expected from the beginning Mika to be different. That he will win the people over because he is funny and smart and has a large knowledge. Because he can be understanding and think from different points of view. That's his strength and that's how he can make a difference. I hope this game won't be too stressful to him.

Edited November 16, 2013 by tiibet

[Tulun♥23]

This is the translation of this article:http://www.optimaitalia.com/blog/2013/11/15/tutti-contro-mika-esplode-la-polemica-ma-e-lui-la-chiave-del-successo-di-x-factor-7/118053

 

All/Everyone against Mika : explodes the controversy, but he is the key to the success of X Factor 7.

venerdì, 15 novembre, 2013 13:04 di Claudia Gagliardi

 

If at first were mostly veiled digs, nice bickerings, some outburst immediately returned, now the judges of X Factor 7 don’t mince their words : all against Mika in the fourth live show of the program, the one that saw eliminated Roberta Pompa and Street Clerks. All against the Lebanese artist that already on the eve of the first episode and then was referred to as the great revelation of this year. Feared for the great musical competence and the quality of decisions, the ability to captivate the audience, but mostly because the assignment of the categories for this year has meant that he would find himself with competitors considered the strongest in the race/competition.

 

The fourth live show of X Factor 7 has seen explode all the controversy so far in the latent: Mika is the favorite to win this edition of the talent show (although it would be more correct to speak in terms of competitors and not of judges, but it is known that the identification is automatic and inevitabile), by now everyone is convinced of it. Not only the bookmakers, the public who comment on Twitter, the other aspiring talents in the competition, by now so do the judges and they no longer make mistery of not digest this real or presumed supremacy of the international pop star.

 

To fling with determination against Mika is especially Simona Ventura, now left with only one group in the competition after the elimination of Street Clerks: “I accept the audience response.It's obvious that in the strength of the judges Mika has a strength which is certainly different from mine - she said in an argumentative tone during the Xtra Factor - . It’s obvious this, that his being a singer beloved by everyone has a weight”. The analysis of Simona Ventura, who sees the popularity of Mika among the public a penalizing factor for other competitors, is also agreed by Elio: “The (girls) singers of Mika start already advantaged by the fact that Mika is their judge.Because Mika has a following unmanageable - the judge said - So for us other three is much harder this year”. Elio complains that the other judges start at a disadvantage, forced to "convince the public only with the strength of the performance”. That then, wanting to clarify, the goal is that: it’s to be rewarded the artist’s performance and certainly not the judge. But the theory of Ventura and Elio is that there is a surplus of favor from the public to the Under Women only because captained by Mika.

 

The truth is that X Factor 7 owe a lot to Mika, perhaps in general all the success of this edition, which has chalked up record numbers in terms of share for a satellite network and interactions on social networks.It is no coincidence that his arrival in Milan as a judge of the program was greeted with an impressive enthusiasm, confident that his stylish and ironic personality would bring only benefits to the show. And so it was: we began/started talking about a "style Mika", a way of doing TV which combines entertainment and culture, an approach that has nothing to do with the trash that we have also seen in the X Factor past editions. A personality able to bring new life to a format that, like everyone/everything else, over the years has inevitably exposed to the attrition risk. But the discontent began to spread quickly and now has come out with arrogance.

 

Even Morgan, who defended Mika declaring disagree with the thesis of Simona Ventura (he that of X Factor has won as many as 5 and maybe even a little thanks to the personality factor that today is recognized in Mika), do not let it slip the opportunity to denounce an alleged favoritism towards the popstar. Dressed in style John Lennon, has set aside the mood "Love and Peace" to lash out at the production after the performance of Gaia, he said much more organized of the other at the scenic level:

"When they delivered the backing tracks (basi musicali) to Mika, three months ago? You can not be so unfair. The Mona Lisa with the laser and mine singing Grease alone in the middle of the stage with nothing. It seems to me too much, Mika has four competitors and I two. You should distribute the amount of scenographies based on the number of singers, "Morgan said after the performance of Gaia, which still went to the ballot. Then the clarification: "If I were Morgan tonight I would talk in other terms. And this message goes to the whole production, not to Tommassini that he has busted his a**. "

 

In short, while the web protests the elimination of Roberta Pompa and Mika faces his first loss, come out all the contradictions and frustrations that in these first few episodes had remained in the shadows, hidden by the sparkle of the show on the stage of X Factor 7. On the other hand, was to be the evening of the Hell Factor. And it was.

 

I understand why they're so upset with the production, and I support their opinion, as long as they don't blame it on Mika!

Anyway there's not much they can do about it, the show's running now and them complaining about it won't change the situation.

[Marilyn Mastin]

*cough* and his name is Michael after all *cough*

 

 

doesn't this sounds like some pop star we know?

 

Name doesn't ring a bell...

 

Do you mean that guy... What's his name? Is it Michael Perm-man? It's some guy with curly hair anyway.

Edited November 16, 2013 by Marilyn Mastin

[Mikasister]

I loved Michele's last preformance, well, I loved everyone he did. I don't see him "acting" but pure, sincere and that feels the music and what he's singing he has a special voice and so different from the others by far. My favorite from the beginning. If someone is "acting" is Violetta, imo. She plays the role of "fragile, soft" but for me she's "false". I have nothing against her but her performances don not move me, she's trying to be something that she isn't, like an actor but of course this is just my point of view

[robertina]

Do you mean that guy... What's his name? Is it Michael Perm-man? It's some guy with curly hair anyway.

 

yes...oh you are so smart Marilyn! How could you guess?

[Marilyn Mastin]

Wait... The other judges are saying that Mika's singers have an advantage simply because he is loved?

 

Are they saying that playfully or they are upset by it?

Tbh, I've been expecting this more and more as the weeks have gone by. Yes, they were happy to have him there. He was the token international popstar. But they underestimated him. He's more than that and has grown more popular than the show itself. This year he IS the X Factor and he HAS the X Factor.

In a way, it was best that one of his girls went so no one can say it's rigged. But it's a pity the judges aren't mature enough to realise the viewing figures are doing them all some good. I had never heard of any of them before.

But I did expect them to be jealous. Their egos won't allow for someone as beautiful, pure and honest like Mika to steal their thunder.

It's sad, but true. He can ride this out though. The 3 idiots are only harming themselves in the long run.