Mika's career choices discussion

[tiibet]

I never understood why people make a number of his shoes. If wearing fancy shoes makes him feel good he should totally do it, I really don't care. I love his taste in general, especially his casual style and it's not so different than it used to be

[Kezza]

I never understood why people make a number of his shoes. If wearing fancy shoes makes him feel good he should totally do it, I really don't care. I love his taste in general, especially his casual style and it's not so different than it used to be

 

A post of shoes and shows.

 

From interviews I read, he said that his feet would hurt so much after shows that he could hardly walk. The new shoes fixed that problem, being as they were custom made for his feet. He'd be a fool to continue to wear something onstage that hurt him, and offstage? It must be like wearing the perfect bunny slippers.

 

I take his "career choices" as I take much of life - with a "wait and see" approach. There may come a day when we all look back on this and shake our heads, and say, "Remember those crazy days?" There may not. In the end, it's his life, and it belongs to him, not us. I'm content to ride out the storm and see what's on the other side.

[Christine]

Mika is not wearing Louboutins because his feet hurt on stage. He wears them everywhere and Louboutin's suggestion for his sore feet was to stick veal in his shoes like a ballet dancer. I am sure there is not a woman alive wearing Louboutins because it helps their feet. Cripples them more like.

 

My impression at the time was that he was just flattered that someone was giving him all the $10,000 shoes anyone could ever want for free. (He even said he can't believe anyone would pay $10K for them). Now we are seeing the same with the Valentino suits.

 

I agree with Robi that it is probably his true nature surfacing. And that's why I am doubtful that a huge audience in the UK is going to take him seriously as a creative if they see him on TV as he's been in Italy and France being "posh and fake" as she so aptly describes.

[Alireine]

Mika is not wearing Louboutins because his feet hurt on stage. He wears them everywhere and Louboutin's suggestion for his sore feet was to stick veal in his shoes like a ballet dancer. I am sure there is not a woman alive wearing Louboutins because it helps their feet. Cripples them more like.

 

My impression at the time was that he was just flattered that someone was giving him all the $10,000 shoes anyone could ever want for free. (He even said he can't believe anyone would pay $10K for them). Now we are seeing the same with the Valentino suits.

 

I agree with Robi that it is probably his true nature surfacing. And that's why I am doubtful that a huge audience in the UK is going to take him seriously as a creative if they see him on TV as he's been in Italy and France being "posh and fake" as she so aptly describes.

 

Well, I wish I could wear Louboutin shoes one day I think that people who knows me would say I'm not posh () but maybe it's my true nature surfacing?

 

And, isn't this Posh spice girl (Victoria if I'm right) famous in the UK?

[robertina]

well...I won't mind the shoes or bare feet, if the music was on top of everything you know? but here we go again..... so I'll stop here and now.

[Christine]

well...I won't mind the shoes or bare feet, if the music was on top of everything you know?

 

That's it. Nothing else matters if the music can speak for itself. But if you're relying on personality, looks, reputation, etc. to sell your music (which is what we are talking about in regards to appearances on British TV) then these things matter. What appeals to a large French or Italian audience is not necessarily going to appeal to a large audience in others.

[Kezza]

Mika is not wearing Louboutins because his feet hurt on stage. He wears them everywhere and Louboutin's suggestion for his sore feet was to stick veal in his shoes like a ballet dancer. I am sure there is not a woman alive wearing Louboutins because it helps their feet. Cripples them more like.

 

My impression at the time was that he was just flattered that someone was giving him all the $10,000 shoes anyone could ever want for free. (He even said he can't believe anyone would pay $10K for them). Now we are seeing the same with the Valentino suits.

 

I agree with Robi that it is probably his true nature surfacing. And that's why I am doubtful that a huge audience in the UK is going to take him seriously as a creative if they see him on TV as he's been in Italy and France being "posh and fake" as she so aptly describes.

 

I was just quoting the man himself, as I'm sure you were. I'm not looking to argue, just making a simple statement about something that came up. And Louboutins for women are hardly the same as his shoes made for Mika, so comparing the two is a shruggable statement to me.

 

I don't like all the arguing I see here, and I'm not going to be a party to it. I'm not saying you can't feel as you do, it's your life and I'm certainly not going to tell you what to do or think or feel. I know you're not doing that with what I say, in the reverse, so please don't think that.

[tiibet]

well...I won't mind the shoes or bare feet, if the music was on top of everything you know? but here we go again..... so I'll stop here and now.

 

I loved it when he performed bare feet! But he had that little accident on stage so I understand it wasn't safe. Still, it was lovely...

[mamiam]

Well, I wish I could wear Louboutin shoes one day I think that people who knows me would say I'm not posh () but maybe it's my true nature surfacing?

 

And, isn't this Posh spice girl (Victoria if I'm right) famous in the UK?

 

HaHa - good point I think Victoria Beckham is famous worldwide. What you wear, should not be measured up against how creative and serious you are. Many of the real artists, of many kinds, often dress a bit "strange" - don't they?!

Imho, it's quite silly to start critizising MIKA for his exclusive shoes and suits - we didn't do that when he had the outfit of "a circus clown" - colorful and refreshing, with lots of plastic "jewellery" - why should we do it now, when he's grown-up and a bit stylish, at least at work on TV!? Honestly, I think MIKAs expensive clothes and shoes are very pleasant to wear, one normally gets really good quality this way - the difference is that I think MIKA gets it for free, as I suppose, but don't know of course, that both Loubutin and Valentino are happy and pleased to see their products on this "perfect model" ...

 

Love,love

me

[Marta.]

at the beginning he used to wear Converse, skinny trousers and t-shirts.

When he began to wear Louboutins we felt as if he totally traded his spontaneity for something posh and fake...IMHO.

But of course it's not all about the shoes...maybe it's only his true nature which surfaced at one point

 

thanks for the answer ...I was imagining who knows what...and instead it was about Mika's feet :teehee: they are really golden... :teehee:

[Christine]

And Louboutins for women are hardly the same as his shoes made for Mika, so comparing the two is a shruggable statement to me.

 

My point was that when one has foot problems they would be wise to seek help from a doctor or some other specialist and not someone who has made his fortune fitting women with foot crippling devices.

[Christine]

we didn't do that when he had the outfit of "a circus clown" - colorful and refreshing

 

Yes we did.

[Alireine]

My point was that when one has foot problems they would be wise to seek help from a doctor or some other specialist and not someone who has made his fortune fitting women with foot crippling devices.

 

Now I'm really curious about it: has someone here already worn Louboutin shoes? Is it really as confortable that it's said to be?

[tiibet]

Oh, didn't mean to start an argument with my earlier comment. Just wanted to explain that I don't care about clothes/shoes that much. I love his style in general, but personally it's not a big issue to me what he is wearing I mostly wear jeans myself because it's comfortable. But if I had fancy parties to go (maybe for professional reasons) I would probably love getting Valentino for free, lol.

[Christine]

Oh, didn't mean to start an argument with my earlier comment.

 

No one is arguing.

[mamiam]

Oh, didn't mean to start an argument with my earlier comment. Just wanted to explain that I don't care about clothes/shoes that much. I love his style in general, but personally it's not a big issue to me what he is wearing I mostly wear jeans myself because it's comfortable. But if I had fancy parties to go (maybe for professional reasons) I would probably love getting Valentino for free, lol.

 

Totally agree - it's not an issue at all what he wears, that's what I mean too - MIKA always went his own way, in every way, and I hope he will keep on doing it ...

 

Love,love

me

[Christine]

Now I'm really curious about it: has someone here already worn Louboutin shoes? Is it really as confortable that it's said to be?

 

Just look at them!!! :aah: :aah:

[tiibet]

No one is arguing.

 

I know, I said it before people start to repeat the same old comments I didn't mean to do it myself, I just wanted to comment about style and explain I'm not really interested in clothes/shoes the same way most people are.

[mamiam]

Just look at them!!! :aah: :aah:

 

Many of the ladies Lob shoes look like just standing quiet in them would be a big challenge! But acc. to TINA his shoes are very steady and good, even for running around and dancing on stage! I've never tried a Lob shoe, just made a pic of one "spiky silvershoe", at his shop on Madison Ave. NYC ...

 

Love,love

me

[Alireine]

Many of the ladies Lob shoes look like just standing quiet in them would be a big challenge! But acc. to TINA his shoes are very steady and good, even for running around and dancing on stage! I've never tried a Lob shoe, just made a pic of one "spiky silvershoe", at his shop on Madison Ave. NYC ...

 

Love,love

me

 

I think I'll check where is the Louboutin shop in Paris and go to try it I'll tell I'm from MFC and that we need this very important information to continue the discussion here

[Kezza]

My point was that when one has foot problems they would be wise to seek help from a doctor or some other specialist and not someone who has made his fortune fitting women with foot crippling devices.

 

I'm still among the decaffeinated today, Christine, bear with my thick head!

[dcdeb]

I take his "career choices" as I take much of life - with a "wait and see" approach. There may come a day when we all look back on this and shake our heads, and say, "Remember those crazy days?" There may not. In the end, it's his life, and it belongs to him, not us. I'm content to ride out the storm and see what's on the other side.

 

I totally agree with you here about taking the "wait and see" approach. It's what I'm doing, basically because I really don't have much of a choice. Well, I have two choices, actually: I can wait and see what happens, or I can abandon Mika and stop being a fan. Since I can't imagine the latter, I have to stick with the former.

 

But still (and Kezza, I'm not addressing just you here, this is for the world in general) I'm not happy with many of the choices Mika's made regarding his career recently. As everyone says, correctly, it's his life and he's the one who has to live it. If what he's doing right now makes him happy, then that's great. He should go for it.

 

The thing is, I too have to live with the consequences of his choices. It doesn't mean I'm going to stop being his fan, but if he continues to do TV in countries that I don't have TV-access to, it not only means no new music/tour for me, but pretty much no Mika at all for me. Maybe it's being a bit selfish, but this decision of his makes me very sad, because it makes my life grayer. As Marilyn put it elsewhere, I thought by now Mika would be ruling the music world, and the fact that he isn't is, IMO, the world's loss. So, inasmuch as they affect me, I'll probably continue to express how I feel about these choices of his, if/when I feel like talking about them at all. For better or for worse, I think we all probably will.

 

I don't think Mika will curl up in a ball and die just because I have a different point of view than his. And I'm not saying anything negative about Mika as a person, because I think he's a really nice person. (Just in case he's reading: You hear that Mika? I think you're lovely! ) From what I've seen of him, I like him enormously. He's always been extremely kind and generous with me. So saying that I disagree with his choices means only that. I don't know his reasons -- I'm sure he has plenty of good ones. That doesn't change the fact that I'm sad about the choices he's made. (But I still love him to death. )

 

My husband teases me when I tell him about some of the discussions here on MFC by paraphrasing an old quotation: "The discussions are so vicious because the stakes are so low." I get what he means -- that really in the greater scheme of things what Mika does with his career has no REAL effect on any of us. I mean, it won't change our relationships with our family and friends, it won't change our jobs or our economic status. Sure, you can argue that we'll have more money if Mika doesn't tour or make a new record but you know what I mean. In the long run, what Mika does doesn't really count for a lot in our individual lives, so we should just put these discussions into perspective. They are just our way of analyzing and contemplating a subject that we all happen to care about very much. We have different opinions, but so what? That's what makes the world go 'round. This would be a very boring place if all there was to read was how wonderful Mika is in thread after thread, with endless photos of his lovely face/hair/smile/etc.

 

Even the most basic storyteller knows that to make a story interesting there has to be some conflict. Every Disney movie has a villain. Just like life -- you have to have a little adversity, a little drama, to keep things interesting. So I don't mind a little drama, a little conflict on MFC. Of course, remember that I said *a little.*

 

So as I've said before, I think if you're happy with the way things are now in Mikaland, that's fine. And if you're not, well, that's fine, too. In either case, you can talk about it here. Just remember it's not a life-or-death discussion. There's no point in hating on someone just because they have a different viewpoint than yours. If you get tired of reading the discussion you can opt out. Just don't read it if it aggravates you -- but know that others have the right to say what they think here, even if you think it's just rehashing what's been said before. And finally, I think "agree to disagree" is a perfectly acceptable outcome to any conversation.

[RAK1]

I totally agree with you here about taking the "wait and see" approach. It's what I'm doing, basically because I really don't have much of a choice. Well, I have two choices, actually: I can wait and see what happens, or I can abandon Mika and stop being a fan. Since I can't imagine the latter, I have to stick with the former.

 

But still (and Kezza, I'm not addressing just you here, this is for the world in general) I'm not happy with many of the choices Mika's made regarding his career recently. As everyone says, correctly, it's his life and he's the one who has to live it. If what he's doing right now makes him happy, then that's great. He should go for it.

 

The thing is, I too have to live with the consequences of his choices. It doesn't mean I'm going to stop being his fan, but if he continues to do TV in countries that I don't have TV-access to, it not only means no new music/tour for me, but pretty much no Mika at all for me. Maybe it's being a bit selfish, but this decision of his makes me very sad, because it makes my life grayer. As Marilyn put it elsewhere, I thought by now Mika would be ruling the music world, and the fact that he isn't is, IMO, the world's loss. So, inasmuch as they affect me, I'll probably continue to express how I feel about these choices of his, if/when I feel like talking about them at all. For better or for worse, I think we all probably will.

 

I don't think Mika will curl up in a ball and die just because I have a different point of view than his. And I'm not saying anything negative about Mika as a person, because I think he's a really nice person. (Just in case he's reading: You hear that Mika? I think you're lovely! ) From what I've seen of him, I like him enormously. He's always been extremely kind and generous with me. So saying that I disagree with his choices means only that. I don't know his reasons -- I'm sure he has plenty of good ones. That doesn't change the fact that I'm sad about the choices he's made. (But I still love him to death. )

 

My husband teases me when I tell him about some of the discussions here on MFC by paraphrasing an old quotation: "The discussions are so vicious because the stakes are so low." I get what he means -- that really in the greater scheme of things what Mika does with his career has no REAL effect on any of us. I mean, it won't change our relationships with our family and friends, it won't change our jobs or our economic status. Sure, you can argue that we'll have more money if Mika doesn't tour or make a new record but you know what I mean. In the long run, what Mika does doesn't really count for a lot in our individual lives, so we should just put these discussions into perspective. They are just our way of analyzing and contemplating a subject that we all happen to care about very much. We have different opinions, but so what? That's what makes the world go 'round. This would be a very boring place if all there was to read was how wonderful Mika is in thread after thread, with endless photos of his lovely face/hair/smile/etc.

 

Even the most basic storyteller knows that to make a story interesting there has to be some conflict. Every Disney movie has a villain. Just like life -- you have to have a little adversity, a little drama, to keep things interesting. So I don't mind a little drama, a little conflict on MFC. Of course, remember that I said *a little.*

 

So as I've said before, I think if you're happy with the way things are now in Mikaland, that's fine. And if you're not, well, that's fine, too. In either case, you can talk about it here. Just remember it's not a life-or-death discussion. There's no point in hating on someone just because they have a different viewpoint than yours. If you get tired of reading the discussion you can opt out. Just don't read it if it aggravates you -- but know that others have the right to say what they think here, even if you think it's just rehashing what's been said before. And finally, I think "agree to disagree" is a perfectly acceptable outcome to any conversation.

 

Well said Debs

[Kezza]

I totally agree with you here about taking the "wait and see" approach. It's what I'm doing, basically because I really don't have much of a choice. Well, I have two choices, actually: I can wait and see what happens, or I can abandon Mika and stop being a fan. Since I can't imagine the latter, I have to stick with the former.

 

But still (and Kezza, I'm not addressing just you here, this is for the world in general) I'm not happy with many of the choices Mika's made regarding his career recently. As everyone says, correctly, it's his life and he's the one who has to live it. If what he's doing right now makes him happy, then that's great. He should go for it.

 

The thing is, I too have to live with the consequences of his choices. It doesn't mean I'm going to stop being his fan, but if he continues to do TV in countries that I don't have TV-access to, it not only means no new music/tour for me, but pretty much no Mika at all for me. Maybe it's being a bit selfish, but this decision of his makes me very sad, because it makes my life grayer. As Marilyn put it elsewhere, I thought by now Mika would be ruling the music world, and the fact that he isn't is, IMO, the world's loss. So, inasmuch as they affect me, I'll probably continue to express how I feel about these choices of his, if/when I feel like talking about them at all. For better or for worse, I think we all probably will.

 

I don't think Mika will curl up in a ball and die just because I have a different point of view than his. And I'm not saying anything negative about Mika as a person, because I think he's a really nice person. (Just in case he's reading: You hear that Mika? I think you're lovely! ) From what I've seen of him, I like him enormously. He's always been extremely kind and generous with me. So saying that I disagree with his choices means only that. I don't know his reasons -- I'm sure he has plenty of good ones. That doesn't change the fact that I'm sad about the choices he's made. (But I still love him to death. )

 

My husband teases me when I tell him about some of the discussions here on MFC by paraphrasing an old quotation: "The discussions are so vicious because the stakes are so low." I get what he means -- that really in the greater scheme of things what Mika does with his career has no REAL effect on any of us. I mean, it won't change our relationships with our family and friends, it won't change our jobs or our economic status. Sure, you can argue that we'll have more money if Mika doesn't tour or make a new record but you know what I mean. In the long run, what Mika does doesn't really count for a lot in our individual lives, so we should just put these discussions into perspective. They are just our way of analyzing and contemplating a subject that we all happen to care about very much. We have different opinions, but so what? That's what makes the world go 'round. This would be a very boring place if all there was to read was how wonderful Mika is in thread after thread, with endless photos of his lovely face/hair/smile/etc.

 

Even the most basic storyteller knows that to make a story interesting there has to be some conflict. Every Disney movie has a villain. Just like life -- you have to have a little adversity, a little drama, to keep things interesting. So I don't mind a little drama, a little conflict on MFC. Of course, remember that I said *a little.*

 

So as I've said before, I think if you're happy with the way things are now in Mikaland, that's fine. And if you're not, well, that's fine, too. In either case, you can talk about it here. Just remember it's not a life-or-death discussion. There's no point in hating on someone just because they have a different viewpoint than yours. If you get tired of reading the discussion you can opt out. Just don't read it if it aggravates you -- but know that others have the right to say what they think here, even if you think it's just rehashing what's been said before. And finally, I think "agree to disagree" is a perfectly acceptable outcome to any conversation.

 

Agreeing to disagree is perfectly fine in my book, Deb. I just feel sad to see people make disparaging remarks, because that's how I am. I'm not looking to fight, I find such arguments reprehensible. I'm a lover, not a fighter! I'd love to see more local action too, as you probably have guessed, as I've yet to get to a show. But I am biding my time, and letting things be as he wishes them in his own life, even if it does make me a bit sad.

 

I'm late to MFC, but not late to enjoying and appreciating him, and feel sometimes as if my new status here is still in its growing pains stage. I don't complain, because I love my new friends here, but sometimes I feel like I'm not taken as seriously because I'm a newb here. I know that will pass - again with the wait and see approach. I'm willing to grow at whatever speed I do here.

 

I don't mind discussions. They're fab. It's sometimes the underlying feeling that because I haven't been here all along, my opinions aren't as valid as others. And that's a pretty sad feeling to have, when all you want to do is enjoy sharing this little bit of your life that you have in common, in hopes of finding more in common, and building genuine friendships.

[njloverqoj]

I totally agree with you here about taking the "wait and see" approach. It's what I'm doing, basically because I really don't have much of a choice. Well, I have two choices, actually: I can wait and see what happens, or I can abandon Mika and stop being a fan. Since I can't imagine the latter, I have to stick with the former.

 

But still (and Kezza, I'm not addressing just you here, this is for the world in general) I'm not happy with many of the choices Mika's made regarding his career recently. As everyone says, correctly, it's his life and he's the one who has to live it. If what he's doing right now makes him happy, then that's great. He should go for it.

 

The thing is, I too have to live with the consequences of his choices. It doesn't mean I'm going to stop being his fan, but if he continues to do TV in countries that I don't have TV-access to, it not only means no new music/tour for me, but pretty much no Mika at all for me. Maybe it's being a bit selfish, but this decision of his makes me very sad, because it makes my life grayer. As Marilyn put it elsewhere, I thought by now Mika would be ruling the music world, and the fact that he isn't is, IMO, the world's loss. So, inasmuch as they affect me, I'll probably continue to express how I feel about these choices of his, if/when I feel like talking about them at all. For better or for worse, I think we all probably will.

 

I don't think Mika will curl up in a ball and die just because I have a different point of view than his. And I'm not saying anything negative about Mika as a person, because I think he's a really nice person. (Just in case he's reading: You hear that Mika? I think you're lovely! ) From what I've seen of him, I like him enormously. He's always been extremely kind and generous with me. So saying that I disagree with his choices means only that. I don't know his reasons -- I'm sure he has plenty of good ones. That doesn't change the fact that I'm sad about the choices he's made. (But I still love him to death. )

 

My husband teases me when I tell him about some of the discussions here on MFC by paraphrasing an old quotation: "The discussions are so vicious because the stakes are so low." I get what he means -- that really in the greater scheme of things what Mika does with his career has no REAL effect on any of us. I mean, it won't change our relationships with our family and friends, it won't change our jobs or our economic status. Sure, you can argue that we'll have more money if Mika doesn't tour or make a new record but you know what I mean. In the long run, what Mika does doesn't really count for a lot in our individual lives, so we should just put these discussions into perspective. They are just our way of analyzing and contemplating a subject that we all happen to care about very much. We have different opinions, but so what? That's what makes the world go 'round. This would be a very boring place if all there was to read was how wonderful Mika is in thread after thread, with endless photos of his lovely face/hair/smile/etc.

 

Even the most basic storyteller knows that to make a story interesting there has to be some conflict. Every Disney movie has a villain. Just like life -- you have to have a little adversity, a little drama, to keep things interesting. So I don't mind a little drama, a little conflict on MFC. Of course, remember that I said *a little.*

 

So as I've said before, I think if you're happy with the way things are now in Mikaland, that's fine. And if you're not, well, that's fine, too. In either case, you can talk about it here. Just remember it's not a life-or-death discussion. There's no point in hating on someone just because they have a different viewpoint than yours. If you get tired of reading the discussion you can opt out. Just don't read it if it aggravates you -- but know that others have the right to say what they think here, even if you think it's just rehashing what's been said before. And finally, I think "agree to disagree" is a perfectly acceptable outcome to any conversation.

 

Agreed