guylainem123 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 This thread makes me sad in many ways, putting fans in categories etc. But I just read your excellent post DerMoment! Very much agree with you! I loved his performance with Chiara last year too. She was a real singer and I loved their chemistry. Nobody is putting fans in categories It's like school. not everyone can be in grade 1 at the same time, but they eventually all graduate ... Just not at the same time lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krysady Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I will see you all in 2016. No,wait! where are you going?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 He did, but he is going to have his hands full with this, so most likely won't have time to sit down and whip out songs. Anyway, let him live the experience he - or his management - needs to do now. As a friend recently said, he's not our personal jukebox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guylainem123 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 That's it for me. I won't post in this thread about my feelings anymore. Enjoy XFactor! *puts on rainbow and butterfly glasses* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Yes Chiara is such an amazing singer! Not like those no-talents Kelly Clarkson, Leona Lewis and Adam Lambert who were winning Simon Cowell contests when Mika was claiming to be the anti X Factor artist. I mean they can barely hold a tune right? And who would ever buy their records? He will be writing his next album with people from London right from his Italian flat! Gosh it's almost as if he was reading my exact concerns about him taking on a TV show. Glad you cleared that up Mika with that random bit of info. Sigh. I will see you all in 2016. Three months and for whom consider it will be an agony, it will be over soon! Courage!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 As he´s said many times he can´t write when he´s on tour aka busy. He writes at home. And unless he now decides he belongs to Milan, I doubt he is writing anything there. Besides, a tour (a proper tour like Imaginarium Tour) needs time to be prepared. And I read somewhere that X Factor lasts 5 months. That´s half a year, my dears... No time for writing, no time for touring, and what is worst NO ROOM FOR HIS OWN MUSIC IN THAT SHOW. Can´t you see it? What has that show to do with Mika´s creative mind? Is he going to write an album for some unknown italian newbie? To be honest, and as I´ve said before, Mika doesn´t pay my mortgage, neither fills my fridge, so I´m sure I won´t die these months. Nevertheless, after his success in NA I really expected he decided to do the same over here... an acoustic tour in Europe... or Asia, or Africa... At least he´d be promoting HIS music and not only his (on the other hand) pretty face, which is basically what people defending he´ll be famous in Italy are claiming. Can you tell me what a random viewer will know about Mika by watching X Factor?? Are the creators of X Factor starting any show with a Mika song? With a Mika interesting fact? Will they play Mika songs all the time? No. Anything you´ll get is a pretty faced guy in a flamboyant/exotic/colorful jacket matching his new designed loubis. Aka nothing to do with music. Forgive me whilst I go cry in a corner. My football team lost yesterday. My football team lost with the same team, so I'm with you But it's the only thing for which I'm with you right now Despite the love for Montalbano, if I remember well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 We bother because we do not want him to be forgotten outside of Italy. We didn't forget when we passed months without having news about his projects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I don't think any fan, being active here, tries to get close to MIKA - I assume his fans are far more intelligent than that!! But people have different opinions, and should be allowed to present it here But there are things I really don't understand: When MIKA once told that he couldn't stand X-factor, and shows alike - was that a lifelong opinion which he has to repeat, and stand for!? So he has no right to change his mind? - I think it's normal, and everybody does, from time to time I also have read here several times that some fans think he lies about things Why should his earlier opinions about TV shows etc. suddenly be so deadly serious - that he should be nailed forever? Love,love me I definitely LOVE LOVE YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathouzouf Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Nobody is putting fans in categories It's like school. not everyone can be in grade 1 at the same time, but they eventually all graduate ... Just not at the same time lol and we all know what happens in the schoolyard:blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathouzouf Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Thanks a lot for posting !! The sounds are not good very much. Is it because of my Internet streaming speed or poor PHONE ? Hope anybody download and share it please. sound was good for me:thumb_yello: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Mika is the ultimate artist, his mind is very fertile, and writing songs and touring isn't clearly enough for him; he needs to explore, express his creativity in different ways, he constantly needs to deal with new experiences and challenges, to interact with other artists, in order to feel alive, not to get bored and to have fun. His music reflects his complex personality, his eventful life and his sensitive soul; if he was different, his music would be different as well, and we probably wouldn't love it as much as we do. I don't think it's all about money, he must have seen XFactor as an opportunity, which could open the door to collaborations, new music and who knows what else? One thing leads to another. I'm not a fan of the program, but to me the Italian edition (I don't know about the other ones) doesn't belong to trash TV: the judges are usually successful and respected artists. Mika has been a brilliant judge so far and the public will be able to get to know him better as an artist and as a person. We can't really know, what the best thing for him and/or his career is, most probably it's what he chooses and needs. He'll certainly tell us about this adventure of his in a few interviews. Totally quote. I was not a fan of the format, I had prejudices, too. It's a format ruled by music industry, it's true, that's why I rejected the idea of watching it, for a certain snobism of mine. But then I began to watch it, with a friend of mine, and I had to admit that quality never lacked in the Italian edition, at least for the last three editions, the one I followed. I don't think this programme will change him. He just will have contacts with other musicians, the coaches that will follow the singers, and will have fun. Maybe, or he won't, and will be annoyed. We all make faults in accepting our "sliding door". I only say that the moment we say "yes", it's a moment full of hopes for the future, it's a brilliant moment for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guylainem123 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 and we all know what happens in the schoolyard:blink: post all you want, i'm not answering anymore sometimes it's ok to let things go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 What I would like to know is how the numbers of years of being a fan is that relevant in the discussion... Is it a contest? Because I only have 636 posts, just to know if I can talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 As long as his music makes me feel good, alive and happy, I'll keep up with and support him. He's still helping, inspiring and giving strength to me through his music/shows/choices/personality/words. That's what really matters to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 And I hope you are going to stop trolling with your uncalled for comments. RELAAAAAAAAAAAAXXXXXXX teikiriiiiiiiiiiiiseeee "- Il faut être très patient, répondit le renard. Tu t'assoiras d'abord un peu loin de moi, comme ça, dans l'herbe. Je te regarderai du coin de l'œil et tu ne diras rien. Le langage est source de malentendus. Mais, chaque jour, tu pourras t'asseoir un peu plus près..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I took the time to read most of the comments on this thread, and I must say I totally agree with Ingie and Christine!It has got nothing to do with "just wait a few months and he'll be back", it is because of whàt he is going to do! Not the Mika I knew... And now I am going to listen to Grace Kelly, for obvious reason:teehee: GK was a shout against music industry. But against that part of music industry that wanted him to be "like" someone else. He wanted to be recognized as an artist with a universe of his own, that's all. He struggled against this, I think, not against the rules of the market, but it's only an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 This thread makes me verry sad and emotional... (Too emotional in fact, I think the fact that I'm having a stressful week at work doesn't help... anyway) I wont quote anyone but can I just say that as far as everything I read in this thread, no-one asked anyone to justify their opinion. Are those upset with this X-Factor thing bad fans because of their disagreement? Of course not! Are those deciding to wait or happy about it bad fans because they are «licking Mika's boots» or not caring of whatever other reason? Of course not! This being a debate based on emotions (strong ones at that), like every debate based on emotions, we will never have a consensus. But we can still discuss it, as long as no-one is feeling the need to justify how they feel. People saying «we should wait and see» are just expressing their opinion, same as those not wanting to wait and explaining why... Does the number of years of being a fan is relevant in this discussion? The only relevance I see is that it will without a doupt affect people's opinions (same thing for where they live, their age, their life experiences, etc.) One other thing, we have to remember that for most of us English is not our first language, so misunderstandings are bound to happen, it has nothing to do with trolling or anything. Anyway ... I'll go relax now I'm way too stressed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 i dream of simpler days when our biggest discussion was if he was gay or straight! And the curly/uncurly hair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basicamenteyo Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 We´ve had many discussions like this one through the years I´m in this forum, and usually, there´s a clear position that usually is right while the other is just... well... delusional. That happened with Mika´s sexuality before, and I´m sure it´ll happen again. But I see here how many people don´t read, or they just pretend they don´t. Now I´m seriously relieved. He will bring his closest friends to Milan to write (?) some songs (in English this time?) for maybe a film (?) or his next album (already?) or maybe some musical (hasn´t he been talking about it before?) I wonder if the journalist asked him about this issue, or he just suddenly needed to make it clear... hmmm.... Anyway, to each their own. I had an argue (in a very pacific way... just through whatsapp) with a friend. She was totally sure that Mika was doing exactly the right thing going to that show and stuff, and told me off for disagreeing. Two minutes later,she stated "oh, well... I hope he comes soon with an acoustic tour" so I needed to reply "not that soon... he´s gonna be a bit busy with that side project you think is perfect, so don´t expect him touring acoustically anytime soon". Her reply: "oh f*ck...." Sooooo..... There are two different opinions in this thread (or in this forum) at the moment, and no one seems to be changing their minds. Me neither. Not in my mind changing yours either. Don´t misinterpret me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valmont69 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 I was thinking a lot about why I have no problem that he does it although I would have been very skeptical and disapproving of the news "Mika will be judge on a casting show" in the past or under different circumstances. Probably it would have been different for me if it hadn't been Italian XFactor. But with Italian XFactor several points come together that are making his decision and his changing of mind follow-able for me and therefore I don't have the impression that he got untrue to himself. Yes, he said that he doesn't like shows like XFactor in the past. But time went on after that (and what was true about the casting shows back than doesn't mean it is true for all casting shows / Italian XFactor now) and it was before he was a guest at Italian XFactor and saw it from the inside and it was before he met Chiara. I myself was a hater of casting-shows in the past. But I changed my mind over the years because time proved that not all contestants/winners are manufactured, faked and conformized people that have no room for personality and individuality and not all shows are trash. It depends on the show itself (there are different formats and even the same formats are handled differently in different countries) and the people who take part, the judges and the people behind it. So the equation for me isn't anymore "casting show = bad", but rather "casting show = it depends". And as I myself changed my opinion I'm of course very accepting that Mika did it as well So, I won't say XFactor Italy is bad just because it's a casting show, I will wait till I see it before I make my judgment about that. And from the little parts I knew about the show (Marco Mengoni as former winner, Chiara as a former winner, statements about the judges from Italians here) it doesn't seem to be that bad. And maybe he had a similar development in thinking about casting shows in general. But we don't know that of course and maybe I'm transferring my thoughts a little bit too much on him. But what we know is his reaction to Chiara. Chiara is really one key point for me. He was so thrilled about her! The rehearsal with Chiara is one of the biggest "Mika is totally excited"-moments of the last year I've seen. AwNkA0x6IVU He clearly loves her and thinks she is great although she is a contestant in Xfactor. And as I see it most of his resentments in the past originated because he thought no individual artist / people who are great / people from whom he thinks they are great would have a chance in casting shows. So, seeing Chiara was a big proof for him that this needn't be the case all the time / not in XFactor Italy and was part in changing his mind. Also with Chiara he got a small impression of how it is to work with contestants and probably he seemed to like it (if he felt otherwise we wouldn't have said "yes"). And he is the type of guy who tries a lot of different things. And maybe it's appealing for him to try to be the "teacher" and work with contestants and pass on what he thinks about music. And personally I think it will be interesting to see how he will work with the contestants. Another thing is that you have two options if you don't like (everything about) something: boycott it or try to change it. Of course its nonsense to do something if you are total against it, but if something has some negative and some positive sites you can try to change it in a better way. And maybe Mika is seeing a chance to encourage more individual talents in casting shows and to develop these shows more in the "right direction". Also some other personal reasons are imaginable: Maybe he wants to be at one place for a longer time for a change while he works. While touring and with his way of doing writing sessions he moves around the world all the time. And with XFactor Italy he has the chance to be longer at a place that he clearly loves. (Would have felt at least much stranger to me if he had decided to do XFactor Portugal for example ) Maybe he wants to be with his BF for a longer time (it's after all much easier to be together more time if Mika is at one place for a longer period). Maybe he wants a break from touring for rest and distraction and living a little bit of life. Of course we don’t know his reasons as we aren't in his head. But I see a lot of reason why he wants to do it and it doesn't seem like he is doing something he doesn't want to do for money or other "bad reasons" for me. And that’s the most important part for me. Do I wish that he would do acoustic gigs and normal gigs in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia? Of course. Do I wish that we would get a new album in not a long time? Of course. I can't get enough of his music and his performances. But I got the impression that he needs to do and try a lot of different and new things and needs new challenges all the times as a person. And if he made the decision that one of these challenges is XFactor Italy I'm okay with it. It's not about trusting him in every move he does or saying that I think everything he did was, he does is or he will do will be right just because he is Mika. It's just that I don't have a big problem with this particular decision. It's not a news I get exited about, but it's not a bad news either for me, I'm mostly neutral about it and have a "if he wants to do it, he should do it"-attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IngievV Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Yes Chiara is such an amazing singer! Not like those no-talents Kelly Clarkson, Leona Lewis and Adam Lambert who were winning Simon Cowell contests when Mika was claiming to be the anti X Factor artist. I mean they can barely hold a tune right? And who would ever buy their records? He will be writing his next album with people from London right from his Italian flat! Gosh it's almost as if he was reading my exact concerns about him taking on a TV show. Glad you cleared that up Mika with that random bit of info. Sigh. I will see you all in 2016. Despite Chiara probably being a very lovely person with a good voice, she is not nearly good enough to stand in the shadow of the former contestants you've mentioned. I liked her voice, but she did not have the wow-factor for me. Then again, I am not the one who worked with her and her voice might sound phenomenal when heard live. I might also just be too much of an Adam fan. But this is another discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) Mika is the ultimate artist, his mind is very fertile, and writing songs and touring isn't clearly enough for him; he needs to explore, express his creativity in different ways, he constantly needs to deal with new experiences and challenges, to interact with other artists, in order to feel alive, not to get bored and to have fun. His music reflects his complex personality, his eventful life and his sensitive soul; if he was different, his music would be different as well, and we probably wouldn't love it as much as we do. I don't think it's all about money, he must have seen XFactor as an opportunity, which could open the door to collaborations, new music and who knows what else? One thing leads to another. I'm not a fan of the program, but to me the Italian edition (I don't know about the other ones) doesn't belong to trash TV: the judges are usually successful and respected artists. Mika has been a brilliant judge so far and the public will be able to get to know him better as an artist and as a person. We can't really know, what the best thing for him and/or his career is, most probably it's what he chooses and needs. He'll certainly tell us about this adventure of his in a few interviews. Well said Mari, I think it's something like you said, about new opportunities. He's a singer and a songwriter, but he's much more than that. His articles in the Italian mag are always so full of wisdom that he really shouldn't just stick to singing, writing and touring. He has even more than that, to give. But for those who can't understand why he seems to have changed his mind about X Factor, my theory (only a theory as I'm not Mika's brain) is that perhaps he thought he could be a truly independent musician who didn't need to conform. A musician who's music would speak for itself and who's rebellious or unique spirit would gain him fans who would love him BECAUSE he didn't go down the reality TV and conformist route. Well, to some extent he succeeded, as a lot on here have said that's why they became his fans, for the music, and his different way of doing things. But there are not enough people who think that way. Try as he might, he could not attract the vast numbers of fans that he needed to continue to be a top-selling artist. So what's the guy to do? He could continue to be different, stay away from the commercialism of something like X Factor, release his songs on YT and hope for hits and perhaps a lucky break with one of his vids, as Psy had (not that I'm comparing them, just talking about Psy's many hits on YT) but that is not something that is sure to happen for Mika. So Mika seems to have made the decision, "if you can't beat them, join them", and make his time as a judge on X Factor count for something. He seems to also still want to write and collaborate while he's doing this, and so to me, this isn't the end of everything. It could even be a new beginning. But I think it's somehing he didn't really have a choice about, if he wants to stay in many peoples' minds and not fade away from everyone, except for his most loyal fans. Edited April 25, 2013 by Marilyn Mastin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingkites Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Because if 'being a fan' means that I am not allowed to express my own opinion when it's not favourable for Mika, then I am not a fan no. Count me in on this one. This is exactly what my problem with MFC has been for a while. I mean I haven't been here for very long at all and maybe it's been like this long before I registered - I wouldn't know what MFC was like at the beginning. Maybe I've only noticed it recently because my honeymoon with the place is over. But it annoys me that I get called a bad fan because I don't agree with everything Mika does or worship the ground beneath him. And honestly, anyone who never questions the choices of their idols are out of their mind. They remind me of some crazy cult who allow themselves to be lead anywhere just because their "leader" says so. I totally understand where both of you are coming from, and yes, Ingie i do find this whole 'we must respect and trust him' irregardless of what he does a total line of cr*p..for me that dates back to the whole band thing - i have no idea why mika did what he did and my opinion didn't matter in any case but I felt the way things were done were distasteful. Maybe i was wrong ( and indeed tweets frm ex-band members sounds like everything was maybe very amicable) but i had an opinion and disagreement and telling me i should 'trust in mika' did nothing but irk me.. +1. I saw one of your tweets was about how sad it is that new fans are satisfied with so many distractions but you have to realise it's basically all we know! When I became a fan Mika was in hiding and all I had to do was chat with MFCers..having a sighting of him at some awards show was big news! much less a gig! So all these little projects are the norm and we don't know any better I agree and disagree with you, honey. I mean we became fans roughly at the same time so I know what you mean by having anything to hear from Mika being exciting. But at the same time, the examples you mentioned have something to do with his music. I don't mind him having small projects but I just wish they had something to do with his actual profession. And I'm not referring only to this X Factor nonsense, I wasn't happy about his Belgian clothing collection either. These things take time from a new album and tour. Someone mentioned that Mika shouldn't be viewed as a thing that produces music and I completely agree - I do like knowing something about the person behind the music. But at the same time, isn't his music what we're here for? At the end of the day that's all that matters. GK was a shout against music industry.But against that part of music industry that wanted him to be "like" someone else. Yes and wasn't that fabulous! Now, like so many others have said, he's doing the exact opposite of what he used to preach about with that song and that is what disappoints me. Mika once said he made alternative pop music and I loved him for saying that. It just seemed like the perfect way of describing his music. Now he's getting assocciated with something completely different that aims to producing calculated, formulated pop stars that all sound alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcdeb Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Unfortunately, I am not at home this week -- working in the Real World for a change -- and so I haven't had nearly as much time to devote the attention I'd like to on this subject. But I have read through it as much as I can and wanted to add my thoughts to the mix while I have a bit of free time. First of all, I defy anyone to question how much I love and support Mika. I've been on MFC almost since it started, and have spent countless hours as well as dollars helping to keep this forum running, with the ultimate goal being to support and promote Mika. So for anyone to say that just because I don't agree with this decision of his to go on X Factor in Italy I am a bad fan, or disloyal, or not supportive... well, you're wrong, plain and simple. Twist my words any way you want, but that doesn't make it so. I think Mika is amazing, both as an individual and as an artist, and I want him to succeed on a grand scale -- personally, as well as professionally. He knows that, his team knows that, and all of you should know it, as well. But the fact remains that I don't agree with his choice to do this show. He may do very well on it. He may sweep Italy off its feet. He probably will. He may become a HUGE star in Italy. And he may think he needs to do this show for any of the number of reasons many of you have listed in this thread. Maybe he needs a rest, maybe he needs inspiration, maybe he needs the money, maybe he needs the challenge/change... Whatever. You're all right -- he's free to do whatever he wants with his life, make choices good or bad, succeed or fail at whatever he likes. That's all not my issue. The issue is that I have been a fan of Mika, both as a person and as an artist, for 6-1/2 years, and I thought the goal -- his goal, not mine -- was to be a successful musician. Not to just have a few top 10 hits in the UK and then disappear from the scene. Not to just perform in France. Not to just act as a judge on a reality show in Italy. I thought the goal was to have a successful, long-term career as a songwriter and performer on a fairly big scale. That certainly seemed to be the goal if you bought into all the hype that accompanied his 2007 debut. Mika was fresh, different, unique even, and was going to change music forever! Hurray! I believed it and rejoiced! So... I don't know. Maybe the goal changed somewhere along the line, or maybe it was unrealistic to begin with. But I think that this is why so many of us who were here in 2006/7 are feeling rather disillusioned at this particular career choice. Here is someone we fell in love with as the new face of music -- someone who went against the grain, whose music was fresh and not like every other thing on the radio. This was someone who stood for not conforming to the old industry standards, someone who just stood out, for that matter... and now he appears to be conforming. It seems he's getting sucked into the music industry machine, where he will be talking about someone else's career, someone else's music, instead of his own. How exactly is that going to further his career? And on top of that, we see him devoting so much time and energy to other side projects that may be gratifying to him as a person, but what exactly do sunglasses and a clothing line have to do with his music? He's not Britney Spears or J. Lo, is he? He's not going to come out with a MIKA fragrance next, is he? As I said, if these projects are important to him creatively on a personal level, then, OK. I can put up with them. But how many more of these side projects will there be? At what point do they stop being SIDE projects and become ALL Mika is doing? Yes, he's performing a load of festivals this summer, and no, he's not a machine, he obviously can't crank out new music and perform nonstop without a mental and physical break. I get that. But... Perhaps I'm being dense, and this is now the path to the old goal -- a long, sustained career in the music business. Maybe that's the strategy. "If I can't get them to buy my records because they like the music, I'll do a clothing line. Then once they love the clothing, they'll buy the records. Then I'll be a judge on X Factor and they'll fall in love with me because I'm so charming, and then they'll buy my records." I've been asked to keep an open mind about this decision, and I'm trying. I'm still feeling the high from those exceptional acoustic shows the week before last, I'm still loving Mika SO much... He's sweet and charming and seems to be so sincere, as anyone who's spent even 30 seconds with him in real life knows. As I've said before, I'm a fan of Mika the man, as well as a fan of Mika the musician. So I WANT to support him in everything he does, personally and professionally. But the truth is that this X Factor thing doesn't appeal to me. I don't see how limiting himself to several months in Italy, on a show that only Italians (and hard core fans like ourselves) are going to see is going to earn him any more exposure or credibility in the music world at large. All it does, in my opinion, is alienate those of us who want to support HIS music, and his MUSIC career. Obviously, just because I can't see the benefit of it, doesn't mean there isn't any. And let's face it, no one on Mika's team, starting with Mika, is looking for my opinion on this decision. I have to accept it, and of course I will, because it's not the end of the world. But I think as a fan from nearly the beginning, I've earned the right to express a disagreement with his choice without being told off about it or being called disloyal or even "wrong", for that matter. It's really disturbing to me to have read a lot of what's been said in this thread -- it's a forum, we're allowed to talk about what we think and feel here. And this is how I feel. If you feel otherwise, that's fine -- I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't feel that way, so please don't tell me I shouldn't feel the way I do, either. And with that, I need to go back to the Real World, which luckily for me this week consists of riding roller coasters and visiting with the other Big M in my life, Mickey Mouse. Sorry if I don't reply to anything else in this thread -- it's not that I don't care, it's that I won't have much time until Sunday, and besides, I think the subject has just about been exhausted by now anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IngievV Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 Unfortunately, I am not at home this week -- working in the Real World for a change -- and so I haven't had nearly as much time to devote the attention I'd like to on this subject. But I have read through it as much as I can and wanted to add my thoughts to the mix while I have a bit of free time. First of all, I defy anyone to question how much I love and support Mika. I've been on MFC almost since it started, and have spent countless hours as well as dollars helping to keep this forum running, with the ultimate goal being to support and promote Mika. So for anyone to say that just because I don't agree with this decision of his to go on X Factor in Italy I am a bad fan, or disloyal, or not supportive... well, you're wrong, plain and simple. Twist my words any way you want, but that doesn't make it so. I think Mika is amazing, both as an individual and as an artist, and I want him to succeed on a grand scale -- personally, as well as professionally. He knows that, his team knows that, and all of you should know it, as well. But the fact remains that I don't agree with his choice to do this show. He may do very well on it. He may sweep Italy off its feet. He probably will. He may become a HUGE star in Italy. And he may think he needs to do this show for any of the number of reasons many of you have listed in this thread. Maybe he needs a rest, maybe he needs inspiration, maybe he needs the money, maybe he needs the challenge/change... Whatever. You're all right -- he's free to do whatever he wants with his life, make choices good or bad, succeed or fail at whatever he likes. That's all not my issue. The issue is that I have been a fan of Mika, both as a person and as an artist, for 6-1/2 years, and I thought the goal -- his goal, not mine -- was to be a successful musician. Not to just have a few top 10 hits in the UK and then disappear from the scene. Not to just perform in France. Not to just act as a judge on a reality show in Italy. I thought the goal was to have a successful, long-term career as a songwriter and performer on a fairly big scale. That certainly seemed to be the goal if you bought into all the hype that accompanied his 2007 debut. Mika was fresh, different, unique even, and was going to change music forever! Hurray! I believed it and rejoiced! So... I don't know. Maybe the goal changed somewhere along the line, or maybe it was unrealistic to begin with. But I think that this is why so many of us who were here in 2006/7 are feeling rather disillusioned at this particular career choice. Here is someone we fell in love with as the new face of music -- someone who went against the grain, whose music was fresh and not like every other thing on the radio. This was someone who stood for not conforming to the old industry standards, someone who just stood out, for that matter... and now he appears to be conforming. It seems he's getting sucked into the music industry machine, where he will be talking about someone else's career, someone else's music, instead of his own. How exactly is that going to further his career? And on top of that, we see him devoting so much time and energy to other side projects that may be gratifying to him as a person, but what exactly do sunglasses and a clothing line have to do with his music? He's not Britney Spears or J. Lo, is he? He's not going to come out with a MIKA fragrance next, is he? As I said, if these projects are important to him creatively on a personal level, then, OK. I can put up with them. But how many more of these side projects will there be? At what point do they stop being SIDE projects and become ALL Mika is doing? Yes, he's performing a load of festivals this summer, and no, he's not a machine, he obviously can't crank out new music and perform nonstop without a mental and physical break. I get that. But... Perhaps I'm being dense, and this is now the path to the old goal -- a long, sustained career in the music business. Maybe that's the strategy. "If I can't get them to buy my records because they like the music, I'll do a clothing line. Then once they love the clothing, they'll buy the records. Then I'll be a judge on X Factor and they'll fall in love with me because I'm so charming, and then they'll buy my records." I've been asked to keep an open mind about this decision, and I'm trying. I'm still feeling the high from those exceptional acoustic shows the week before last, I'm still loving Mika SO much... He's sweet and charming and seems to be so sincere, as anyone who's spent even 30 seconds with him in real life knows. As I've said before, I'm a fan of Mika the man, as well as a fan of Mika the musician. So I WANT to support him in everything he does, personally and professionally. But the truth is that this X Factor thing doesn't appeal to me. I don't see how limiting himself to several months in Italy, on a show that only Italians (and hard core fans like ourselves) are going to see is going to earn him any more exposure or credibility in the music world at large. All it does, in my opinion, is alienate those of us who want to support HIS music, and his MUSIC career. Obviously, just because I can't see the benefit of it, doesn't mean there isn't any. And let's face it, no one on Mika's team, starting with Mika, is looking for my opinion on this decision. I have to accept it, and of course I will, because it's not the end of the world. But I think as a fan from nearly the beginning, I've earned the right to express a disagreement with his choice without being told off about it or being called disloyal or even "wrong", for that matter. It's really disturbing to me to have read a lot of what's been said in this thread -- it's a forum, we're allowed to talk about what we think and feel here. And this is how I feel. If you feel otherwise, that's fine -- I'm not going to tell you that you shouldn't feel that way, so please don't tell me I shouldn't feel the way I do, either. And with that, I need to go back to the Real World, which luckily for me this week consists of riding roller coasters and visiting with the other Big M in my life, Mickey Mouse. Sorry if I don't reply to anything else in this thread -- it's not that I don't care, it's that I won't have much time until Sunday, and besides, I think the subject has just about been exhausted by now anyway Marry me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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