Naectegale Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Perhaps self-respect is the key word here. I don't think people with a healthy self-esteem can relate to her story unless it is told in a detail the average theatre goer is not familiar with and in a way that arises pity for her. I still call it tragic as I have no better word for it, but it may not touch me on any level as I really can't identify myself with her at all. I merely find it an interesting case study of how you can destroy yourself with self-indulgence. It is a good story. Mika might write a song about it… The original definition of tragedy in drama was where the "hero" was brought down due to flaws in their charachter - as per Anna Nicole. It's only recently that the term has been used for any sad event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Maybe "writing style" is a wrong word, I was not referring to his language when I used it, maybe it's the way he is expressing his thoughts. In any case, I really enjoy reading it Yes, I think you mean the way he connects certain concepts with events in life or any of his observations..etc. In other words, I love the way his mind works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzie Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The original definition of tragedy in drama was where the "hero" was brought down due to flaws in their charachter - as per Anna Nicole. It's only recently that the term has been used for any sad event. So my definition is in line with the official definition then. It is good news as I couldn't have found a better word for it, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes, I think you mean the way he connects certain concepts with events in life or any of his observations..etc. In other words, I love the way his mind works. That's exactly what I meant before! Wish my English was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiibet Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes, I think you mean the way he connects certain concepts with events in life or any of his observations..etc. In other words, I love the way his mind works. Yes, exactly that, and also the way he sees things and describes them. And I guess that all means the way his mind work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I've seen a documentary about her and her case indeed was very tragic. I don't think we should judge people on the choices they make. Even if those choices lead to the death and abandonment of their children? I'm surprised that Mika seems to think that the American public's opinions about her are based solely on judgements about porn and gold digging when she put her own needs ahead of those of her children. The original definition of tragedy in drama was where the "hero" was brought down due to flaws in their charachter - as per Anna Nicole. It's only recently that the term has been used for any sad event. Yes in the context of an opera it's a tragic story but he seems to be focusing on her real life and I don't think it's the kind of tragedy people emphathize with in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sienna Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Well, I just read the original and loved it Not because of the subject; I also only know her from the headlines.But because to me this is the first time that one of his columns actually felt like a real column So if he continues this way from now on, I'm sure I'll like the columns a lot more. Yes I got the impression it was written with with a lot of empathy! I've seen a documentary about her and her case indeed was very tragic. I don't think we should judge people on the choices they make. Good point, we will never know the true story behind this tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lena Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 If someone want to print this column with Dawack's drawing I made this file .doc: http://www.sendspace.com/file/m2l5jl I also made it in pdf: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gam30s Crown of thorns of the martyr... This killed me... I think it's overly for her . Cut your coat to suit your cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellody Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 oh wow, already in english?! that was fast! i never really followed the story of anna nicole smith, just what you get to hear/see by random media usage. so the topic of this column isn't really interesting to me... what i find interesting though is what it tells about mika, that he seems to identify with anna nicole so much. he describes her story from his point of view in his article, but it doesn't really come across for me why he likes her, why he thinks that the opera doesn't do her justice, and that more people should see themselves in her. maybe it's just not as obvious for me, as it is for him. i don't know much about her, but i'd say that enlarging your boobs to the size of melons, doing porn, taking drugs, marrying a 60-year-older guy and then fighting in court for years to get some of his money is a sign that this woman should've told her problems to a shrink instead of making a reality show out of it, and it's no surprise to me that this lifestyle ended with an early death. maybe what mika wants to say is that one should have a closer look at where that all came from, that people may be driven by certain experiences to lead such a lifestyle. the media thing doesn't really apply to this case though imo - i mean, she *wanted* to be in the media, right? imo princess diana is a much better example for the media destroying someone's life than anna nicole is, and much better for most people to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 the media thing doesn't really apply to this case though imo - i mean, she *wanted* to be in the media, right? imo princess diana is a much better example for the media destroying someone's life than anna nicole is, and much better for most people to understand. I agree and have been saying that to someone else this morning. This woman was no Princess Diana and I don't understand how Mika imagined a poignant opera would ever come out of her story. As you said if he has some reason to identify with her I don't see it and he hasn't really expressed it here. I think Mika more than anyone knows that it's totally within your power to keep yourself from being "victimized" by the media even if you're famous for other reasons. In Anna Nicole's case, her voluntary collusion with trash media was the ONLY reason she was famous as she appeared to have no talent or accomplishments that were worthy of such attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guylainem123 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 oh wow! i never thought in 1000000 years, that i would read about Anna Nicole Smith through Mika's eyes. Her life was a sad tragedy for sure. Some of this was self inflicted and her own choices. I think to be in the spotlight the way she was, you have to be an extremely well balanced, grounded, well surrounded person. If you aren't, then things just spiral out of control, the way her life did. But it's also sad that the media turned her life into a circus act. The people who should have been there to help her, were taking advantage of her & i'm not sure she was strong enough to tell the difference. Perhaps she didn't love herself enough to bother. What happened to her, was also passed on to her children, who in this case, were totally innocent victims. I may not agree 100% about everything he says in this column, but i do love the way he tells her story. Dawack's drawing is beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiibet Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) oh wow! i never thought in 1000000 years, that i would read about Anna Nicole Smith through Mika's eyes. Her life was a sad tragedy for sure. Some of this was self inflicted and her own choices. I think to be in the spotlight the way she was, you have to be an extremely well balanced, grounded, well surrounded person. If you aren't, then things just spiral out of control, the way her life did. But it's also sad that the media turned her life into a circus act. The people who should have been there to help her, were taking advantage of her & i'm not sure she was strong enough to tell the difference. Perhaps she didn't love herself enough to bother. What happened to her, was also passed on to her children, who in this case, were totally innocent victims. I may not agree 100% about everything he says in this column, but i do love the way he tells her story. Dawack's drawing is beautiful. That's exactly my thoughts too But I don't even know Anna Nicole Smith's case well enough to have a strong opinion. I have heard about her, of course, and know the basic story. Edited March 31, 2011 by tiibet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guylainem123 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 That's exactly my thoughts too But I don't even know Anna Nicole Smith's case well enough to have a strong opinion. I have heard about her, of course. i don't know a whole lot about her, only what i read in the media... i never watched her reality show either. it didn't interest me. but the clips that i saw of her, never showed her in a great spot light. i mean, medias only show you want they want... & everytime, she looked completely out of it & not what i would call a role model for her own children. the sad part is, i knew more about her as a person AFTER she died then before. her little girl is such a cutie. sad that she will never know her mom as a person, but only by the legacy she left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywonka Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I don't give a **** about opera nor ANS... When, oh when can we have proper music blogs or vlogs???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloise.shaw Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I don't give a **** about opera nor ANS...When, oh when can we have proper music blogs or vlogs???? Mika-soon. He said he would update us though. That was February. 15th. It's almost two months later! Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellody Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 In Anna Nicole's case, her voluntary collusion with trash media was the ONLY reason she was famous as she appeared to have no talent or accomplishments that were worthy of such attention. a man would say that she had two huge talents. but seriously, i read that she started to get all that media attention when she married the 89-year-old billionaire, he died without having her mentioned in his will and she went to court to get half of his money, which ended in an endless fight with his family. i don't know the details, but from my point of view both her and the guy's family were greedy. i understand that she wanted some of his money, since imo that was the reason why she married him, and maybe he had told her that she was in his will? and i understand that the family didn't want to give her half of it. but couldn't they have found an agreement, like a few tiny millions of the billions that were there?! i don't know whose fault it was that this wasn't possible, and i don't get it. maybe she wanted to have it all, or maybe she would've been happy with a few millions, but the family didn't want her to get a single cent. but it's a different world from the one i live in, so what do i know. but of course it's an old story, young beautiful woman marries rich old man... to me there never is the question whether it might be out of love, i just think it can't be, and i could never imagine that for myself. but it's not so clear for everyone, maybe some older men hope that a young woman will fall in love with them although they're not rich, and maybe some young girls hope to find a rich old man to marry and they'd never have to work again. that's why this story was so interesting for the media. i don't know if anna nicole tried to sell them that she married him out of love - but probably, as in court she couldn't have admitted that she was just after his money. and then it's no wonder that most people think "love? yeah, right! :loco:". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willywonka Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Mika-soon. He said he would update us though. That was February. 15th. It's almost two months later! Yay! Yeah, but Mikasoon is each time more distant from Wonkasoon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shine Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) Already???? *Runs to read* I always thought he wrote Good Gone Girl about Ana Nicole ( Georgia ) and Kati Price ( April ). Maybe I was write..... I really adore the column. It shows us the way how Mika sees the world. Of course I had my own image about Ana Nicole in my head but I find it really interesting to look at it from another perspective. Thanks Mana for posting It's a pretty strange and unexpected choice of topic and I had to read it a couple of times to grasp where's the point of his writting. Anna Nicole Smith wanted to achieve her american dream and to become a new Marylin Monroe. And what Mika critisizes is the fact that media used in a sly way her personal tragedy (drug abuse and her son's death), which twisted their conventional perception as a successful, beautiful diva. The other thing that bothers him is the very concept of directing opera inspired by her life. He felt that it should have been directed in a different way, streessing its tragic potential (mother and son relationship on the first place). Something in her life story obviously has deeply driven him in a symphatetic and compassionate way, and I agree with Sabine that his lyrics could have been also affected with her life story. It doesn't come to her personal ethic that much here (which is dodgy) but for the morality of the society and media, which partly destroyed her as a human being imo. Edited March 31, 2011 by Shine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn Mastin Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah, but Mikasoon is each time more distant from Wonkasoon... Mikasoon means anytime between now and the apocolypse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloise.shaw Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah, but Mikasoon is each time more distant from Wonkasoon... Mikasoon means anytime between now and the apocolypse. :roftl: Well, we shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etoile2roses Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I don't know what to say, I am surprised and in the other hand a little bit disappointed by this article, by this opera and by the story of this woman I did not know before... The only thing that does not surprised me is the way of how Mika talks about her... how some things do not shock him, and how others shock him... and how some people can be shock by something that happen before and already walk on this road and screams to the others who wants to take it to do not take it... and how no ones wants to hear... Hard to express myself tonight, must go to bed... ciao bella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeiRe Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 [YOUTUBE]BE8UxXaxLj8[/YOUTUBE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellody Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 [YOUTUBE]BE8UxXaxLj8[/YOUTUBE] i think what mika wrote about the opera already comes across in this video. very superficial, i'd imagine already from that short clip that the story in the opera doesn't go deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyaboutmika Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah, but Mikasoon is each time more distant from Wonkasoon... I love this I truly believe it should be added to our Mika dictionnary as a proverb and I'm adding it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Clay Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The article makes me think of . . . [YOUTUBE]iZynP5n31Zg[/YOUTUBE] . . . JESUS & a certain Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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